Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; sometimes it annoys me to have somebody who does not know anything about conditions anywhere else in the world attack while he is himself actually a Communist. You see what I mean? A Communist to me, in a bad sense, is somebody who does not believe in free discussion. So it annoys me that somebody Bircher will tell me, "George, we are for freedom here." I said, "Just the opposite, you are not for freedom." Mr. JENNER. That is, you have taken the position that the Bircherites are not for freedom? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't like that movement personally. I dislike it very much. I have run into trouble lately in Texas before I left with some of my clients who were very much inclined in that direction. For instance, they object to the United Nations. They put words in my mouth. I remember one day they said, "George, would you believe in abolition of the Army in the United States and creating an international force?" I said, "No." He said, "Well, that is what the United Nations stands for." Mr. JENNER. Well---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I get sometimes into heated discussions and sometimes I say things which maybe you don't think. But I may have insulted some other people's feeling, because I don't have a hatred against anybody. I don't hate communism--hell, let them live. Mr. JENNER. You don't hate it for somebody else, but you don't want it yourself? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't want it myself; no. Mr. JENNER. Your whole stay in Yugoslavia, however, was in connection with the International Cooperation Administration? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I am glad that you reminded me of that. I developed an idea, being in Yugoslavia, of forming a joint venture to use Yugoslav workers and American equipment. Mr. JENNER. What workers? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yugoslav workers, who are very good and very inexpensive, to do some drilling in Arabic countries, and using American equipment. One of my clients is John Mecom in Houston, who, among other things, controls Cogwell Oil Well Equipment Co. in Wichita, Kans. And he has been having a hard time selling his equipment lately. So one day we were discussing in Houston what could we do to promote the use of his equipment. And we came to a conclusion that it might be a good idea to form a joint venture, American-Yugoslav joint venture, using cheap Yugoslav labor, and very good labor, to drill in Arabic countries, because there is a great future of doing this, you see. And John Mecom sent me to Yugoslavia in 1958 to look at the possibility of forming such a venture. Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Was this the same year you were in Yugoslavia for the International---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; the next year. This was in 1958. Mr. JENNER. Were you then married? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. You had married your present wife? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I think so. I hope I am right on my dates. Yes--I think we were married then. Anyway, I went by myself to Yugoslavia.