Mr. JENNER. And you had known Kitchel for some time? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. We are now into 1962, are we? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. In the early part of the year? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. Mr. JENNER. And you returned to Dallas? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. We returned to Dallas. We took another apartment in the same place--very close to the same neighborhood we used to live--6628 Dickens Avenue. I felt an urge to write a report on our trip. I sat down and worked like hell writing this report. My wife started working--because we were getting short of money. We spent all the money on our trip--including this Haiti stay. And at the same time I started pursuing my profession and making oil deals like we do, doing consulting work, in Dallas. Now, I should repeat again--I am glad you reminded me of some of those dates, because you have them written down, and I don't. So I cannot vouch for some of the dates. Mr. JENNER. Well, as a matter of fact, I have most of them in my head at the moment. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. You have a better memory for dates than I do. Mr. JENNER. Now we have you in 1962. Your wife went back to work for---- Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. She had broken her contract with a very large manufacturer. She had a very good contract--to come on this trip with me. She gave up a job of $15,000 or $20,000 a year, to go on this trip with me. And she had a very hard time reestablishing herself in her profession of designer. So we went through a rather difficult time there for a year, and she started working in the millinery department of Sanger-Harris in Dallas. It is a large department store in Dallas. Mr. JENNER. Now, this brings us to the summer of 1962. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Now, in due course you met Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Now, before we get to that, what I would like to have you do for me is tell me about what I will describe in my words, and you use your own, the Russian emigre group or community or society in Dallas at or along about that time. Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. There I knew them all, because both my wife and I like to speak Russian, and we like Russian cooking, mainly. This is our main interest in Russian society. They are all of the same type--in other words, they are all people who carry memories of Russia with them, and who became, I think, perfect American citizens. Some of them are a little bit to the left, others are a little bit to the right, but all within the limits of true democracy. One of them is, I think, leaning towards excessive rightist tendencies. Mr. JENNER. What is his name? Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He is a geologist, for Sun Oil Co. His name is Ilya Mamantov. I know them all very well. They are very decent people, all of them. He, I think, is a little bit too much again on this Birch Society group, because he works for a large company.