Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever discuss that with George De Mohrenschildt? Mr. BALLEN. Not in any detail. We may have. George and I would discuss either in a joking way or serious way pretty near everything that occurred. I'm sure we would have discussed that also and made some pleasantry about it, but I don't recall and doubt if I ever discussed it with him in any great---- Mr. LIEBELER. Did De Mohrenschildt ever mention Oswald's name to you in connection with the attempt on Walker's life? Mr. BALLEN. None whatsoever. I don't think he ever mentioned it to me. Mr. LIEBELER. You have no recollection that he did? Mr. BALLEN. I do not. Mr. LIEBELER. Did De Mohrenschildt ever mention to you that Oswald owned a rifle? Mr. BALLEN. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald mention in his conversation with you the fact that he was a member of a hunting club while he was in the Soviet Union? Mr. BALLEN. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Was there any mention of any kind of firearms of any kind in that conversation? Mr. BALLEN. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Was the time that Oswald came to your office the first time that you met him, or had you met him previous to that? Mr. BALLEN. If I had met him previously, it would have been on a Sunday morning in the De Mohrenschildt's household for a period of time of about 40 minutes, but I am about satisfied, in talking to other people, that the individual I met on that Sunday morning was not Oswald, but some other stray dog. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember who this other stray dog was? Mr. BALLEN. I don't know his name. This was someone who had worked his way here either from Hungary or Bulgaria. Mr. LIEBELER. And subsequently disappeared from the scene? Mr. BALLEN. I don't know his name. This was one of the individuals De Mohrenschildt had latched on to for a period of 4 or 5 or 6 weeks. Mr. LIEBELER. Were you surprised when you learned that Oswald had been arrested in connection with the assassination of President Kennedy? Mr. BALLEN. When I first heard of Oswald's arrest, I didn't realize that this was the chap I had met. It only dawned upon me about 2 or 3 hours later that this was the chap I met. I told my wife that evening that there must have been some mistake, that I didn't believe that chap was capable of this kind of thing, and she said, what do you mean? She said they picked him up and got the gun. I said Oswald wasn't that sort of guy. I told my wife that if you lined up 50 individuals, the one person who would stand out as being suspicious or strange would be Lee Harvey Oswald, but I was very surprised when Oswald was arrested. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any further conversations along that line with your wife? Mr. BALLEN. Well, as this story developed day by day, we would naturally discuss it. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you still have the same view that you expressed to your wife when you first learned of the assassination?