Mr. JENNER. Which, of any, of these people had you known prior to the time that you stepped into this room? Mr. TAYLOR. Only the De Mohrenschildts. Mr. JENNER. So, this was your first acquaintance with the Halls, your first acquaintance with Marguerite Oswald, and your first acquaintance with Lee and Marina Oswald? Mr. TAYLOR. That's right. Mr. JENNER. And what ensued--by way of what anybody did and what anybody said? Mr. TAYLOR. I don't remember but very sketchily what went on that afternoon. There's a number of questions in my mind about what preceded--I mean, Mrs. Oswald---- Mr. JENNER. Will you please state them and where you are stating a question in your mind as distinct from something that was said---- Mr. TAYLOR. Well, I will come to that. I was only trying to establish a general vagueness of recollection of the afternoon. Mrs. Oswald left shortly after I arrived. Mr. JENNER. Now, you mean Marguerite? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes; Lee's mother. Mr. JENNER. Have you ever seen her other than on this short visit? Mr. TAYLOR. Not except in news media. Never in person other than that one afternoon. Mr. JENNER. And you've had no contact with her directly since this particular occasion you are now relating? Mr. TAYLOR. That's right. Mr. JENNER. And the news media to which you refer is news media activities subsequent to November 22, 1963? Mr. TAYLOR. That's correct. Mr. JENNER. She was just there for about 5 minutes? Mr. TAYLOR. Less than 45 minutes, I would say. Mr. JENNER. Did you have an opportunity to form an impression of her in those few minutes? Mr. TAYLOR. I just have a vague recollection of a somewhat plump woman who seemed to be--uh--out of place in the present crowd that was there that afternoon. And she didn't seem to be particularly interested in anything that went on--and I think that's what prompted her to leave. Mr. JENNER. Did you have an opportunity to observe and form an opinion from those observations as to the attitude between Lee Oswald and Marguerite? Mr. TAYLOR. I would say that it was one of estrangement between them; that they had very little communication between them; that they were almost strangers--and possibly even didn't like each other. Particularly on Lee's part, I should think. Mr. JENNER. That was your impression? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And this was, again, September of 1962--did you say? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. All right. September 1962. Okay--I've got myself oriented. Go ahead. Mr. TAYLOR. And that we talked generally about some of the things that--uh--some of Lee's observations about Russia. Mr. JENNER. Did he speak in English or Russian? Mr. TAYLOR. He spoke in English when talking to my wife of that time or I; and quite often in Russian--as I believe everyone in the room spoke Russian except my wife, myself, and John Hall. I'm not sure if John Hall spoke Russian or not--but certainly both the De Mohrenschildts, and George Bouhe does.