Mr. GERACI. No. This was his first visit. As far as I can make out, it must have been, and he asked a few questions like that. Carlos just answered real simply and all that, he didn't go into any big speeches, you know, with them, like he did for me and Vance, just answered his questions simply. Then when the man came in with the broken radio, Carlos left, and that left Oswald, me, and Vance by ourselves. Then, well, we asked--you know, we were a little interested in guerrilla warfare ourselves and things like that, and he said, well, he was an ex-marine, said he was in the Marines once. He said he learned a little bit about that stuff, and he said a few things about guerrilla warfare I remember, like he said the way to derail a train was to wrap chain around the ties of the track and then lock it with a padlock and the train would derail. He said the thing he liked best of all was learning how to blow up the Huey P. Long Bridge. He said you put explosive at each end on the banks and blow it up, and that leaves the one column standing. And he said how to make a homemade gun and how to make gunpowder, homemade gunpowder. He just went into those real simply. He didn't really, you know, tell us how to do it or anything, just said like if you want to make a homemade gun, you know, do something like--you know, the thing you pull back [demonstrating] and it goes forward, like on one of the pinball machines. He just said something like that. He didn't really go into detail or anything. We didn't ask him. And by this time Carlos came back from the other guy, and came back, and he was listening, and, well, that is about all. Oh, there was one important thing. Oswald said something like that he had a military manual from when he was in the Marines, and he said he would give it to me, and I said, "That is all right. You don't have to. You can give it to Carlos." He said, "Well, OK, he will give it to Carlos next time he comes." And after that--well, everybody left. That is as far as I can make out. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember---- Mr. GERACI. And he said he was going to come back later and give Carlos this military manual from when he was in the Marines. Mr. LIEBELER. And was he going to give this to Carlos for Carlos' benefit, or was he---- Mr. GERACI. For Carlos' benefit, I guess, Carlos' or the Cuban exiles'. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear any conversation about training guerrillas to oppose Castro? Mr. GERACI. No. He didn't say anything about being an expert rifle shooter, never said anything about going to Russia or joining or training or anything like that. Mr. LIEBELER. Well, was there a conversation concerning the training of anti-Castro troops or guerrillas to oppose Castro? Mr. GERACI. No; that must have been later, maybe when he came back some other time. Mr. LIEBELER. Now were you present at all times while Oswald was there? Mr. GERACI. We got there before he did and we left at the same time he did.