Mr. LIEBELER. How about Carlos? Did you see him after that? Mr. GERACI. Yes. That time when we found out that it was Oswald who killed him, well, then I went there, you know, to get things straightened out and talk with Carlos a little about him, you know. Mr. LIEBELER. You went back and talked with Carlos, about this meeting with Oswald, after the assassination? Is that right? Mr. GERACI. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember whether you saw Carlos between the time that you met Oswald and the assassination? Mr. GERACI. Carlos? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes. Mr. GERACI. Not that I remember. Mr. LIEBELER. Can you tell us approximately when it was that you met Oswald? Was it July or August? Mr. GERACI. Well, last time the FBI man came, I estimated around late July. I couldn't remember now, so I will just stick with late July. That seems to stick pretty good. Vance said the same thing himself when the FBI man questioned him, so I am pretty sure it was between late July--middle July to late July. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you form any opinion about Oswald when you met him? Mr. GERACI. When I met him? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes. What did you think of him? Mr. GERACI. Well, when he went in there, I noticed he was a little nervous. Mr. LIEBELER. How did he show his nervousness? Do you remember? Mr. GERACI. Well, the way he talked, you know. Well, you know, the way he talked I guess, kind of, you know, searching around for words and all that, and I remember he leaned on the table, and I remember reading once that, you know, if you exert some physical exertion, it kind of helps you tend to calm down or something like that. Anyway, I could tell by the way he was leaning on the table that maybe he was nervous. Mr. LIEBELER. Other than this nervousness, did you form any other opinion about it? Mr. GERACI. Not particularly. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he appear to be an intelligent person? Mr. GERACI. Intelligent person? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes. Mr. GERACI. Sort of. He didn't appear stupid or anything like that. He seemed OK, you know. He didn't seem like a Communist. Seemed like he just wanted to, you know, help out too, sort of. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you subsequently learn that Oswald was arrested by the New Orleans Police Department for distributing Fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflets? Mr. GERACI. I didn't know that until after he killed Kennedy and it was in the papers. Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't hear it? Mr. GERACI. On the radio? Mr. LIEBELER. On the radio or television. Mr. GERACI. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think you have now told us everything that you can remember about this meeting you had with Oswald and Carlos? Is there anything else that you can think of? Mr. GERACI. No. There might be one thing. Carlos, when he talked to me and Vance and my friend, Bill Dwyer, the first time, you know, he made speeches and all that. When he met him--I don't know--seemed like maybe he didn't want him or something. I am not too sure.