Mr. RANKIN. But that wouldn't necessarily mean that there was any plot or conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy, would it? Or does it to you? Mr. JOHNSON. Well, I would rather think not. I mean I would rather think that nobody would proceed from any of this to the point of assassination. And there it is a matter I think where a person may have an opinion and not necessarily have evidence that could substantiate the opinion. Mr. RANKIN. Or you could speculate easily? Mr. JOHNSON. That is speculation. Mr. RANKIN. Whether it was a rightist plot or there was a leftist plot? Mr. JOHNSON. If there was a plot, it was only a rightist plot. Mr. RANKIN. And you say that because you consider the act of assassination to accomplish political ends is not within the Communist Party philosophy; is that right? Mr. JOHNSON. That is basically true. The second basic point would be the attitude of the Communist towards President Kennedy was one of high regard and respect, even though sharply differing on many things, but it was always that. Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Johnson, do you have any other papers or knowledge bearing upon the assassination of President Kennedy that you haven't related here? Mr. JOHNSON. No, I do not. Mr. RANKIN. That is all I have, Mr. Abt. Do you have anything? Mr. ABT. I have nothing. Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Abt, may we ask you to be so kind as to be sworn and act as a witness for a brief moment? Mr. ABT. Surely. TESTIMONY OF JAMES J. TORMEY The testimony of James J. Tormey was taken at 11:30 a.m., on April 17, 1964, at the U.S. Courthouse, Foley Square, New York, N.Y., by Messrs. J. Lee Rankin, general counsel and Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. James J. Tormey was accompanied by his attorney, John J. Abt. James J. Tormey, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: Mr. RANKIN. Give the reporter your name and your address. Mr. TORMEY. James J. Tormey, T-o-r-m-e-y, 215 Willoughby Avenue, Brooklyn, N.Y. Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Tormey, you received some correspondence from Lee Harvey Oswald, did you? Mr. TORMEY. I received--a letter was referred to me from him. Mr. RANKIN. Who referred the letter to you? Mr. TORMEY. I don't know who it was, but apparently the letter which is addressed on the upper right-hand side to 23 West 26th Street was referred, and I don't remember who referred it. Mr. RANKIN. Will you tell us what your position was at the time you received this referral? Mr. TORMEY. Yes; I was the executive secretary of the Hall-Davis Defense Committee. (Objects marked Tormey Exhibit No. 1.) Mr. RANKIN. Mr. Tormey, will you examine Exhibit No. 1 on the deposition that you are giving today, which consists of several placard-type pieces of material, together with some plastic pieces, and tell us whether or not you have seen those before? Mr. TORMEY. I have seen them before.