Mr. STATMAN. On 10-9-62. This card indicates that he came in. Mr. JENNER. That he came in on the 9th of October 1962? Mr. STATMAN. That was his first contact with us. Mr. JENNER. And what is done, then, in the normal course of this sort of thing, when an applicant comes in for the first time? Mr. STATMAN. The first is--this card is filled out, and the number one thing is to get the pertinent facts, and do you want me to give what we have on him? Mr. JENNER. Yes. Mr. STATMAN. We have his name and his address. Mr. JENNER. And what address is that? Mr. STATMAN. 2515 West Fifth Street, Irving, Tex., and a telephone number that indicates an Irving number--BL-3-1628, social security number was given--433-54-3937. Now, under this is his military service to ascertain if he is a veteran, because veterans get preference. In other words, I don't know if you need to know that, but that pink card indicates a veteran, and by law we are to give veterans preference, and the information here is to again ascertain if he is to get veterans preference. In this he listed the entry of his service date--10-23-56, and he was released from active service 9-11-59. Then, underneath--another category, "If needed for work, do you have--" and it indicates "License, trucks, uniforms, car, tools," and he stated that he had none of these. In other words, some companies before they will hire you, like a mechanic has to have his own tools and some don't. Mr. JENNER. He answered he had none of those; is that correct? Mr. STATMAN. Yes--none. Now, he gave his educational background--do you want to go into that? Mr. JENNER. Yes. Mr. STATMAN. He stated that he went to Arlington Heights, Fort Worth, 2 years, 5/56 and in that---- Mr. JENNER. What is 5/56? Mr. STATMAN. Apparently, that is when he left school--I don't know--I'm guessing at that. Mr. JENNER. But that card does indicate that he told the interviewing official of the Commission that he attended Arlington Heights High School in Fort Worth for 2 years, terminating in May 1956. Mr. STATMAN. I think you can figure out, if that would be the start--let me see--in 1956, how old would he have been--he would have been 17 years old, so it seems more plausible that he left in 1956 than he started, wouldn't it to you? Mr. JENNER. Yes. Mr. STATMAN. All right. He indicated courses that he took--2 years English, 1 year general math, 1 year algebra, 1 year general science. Now, he indicates he has gotten a high school equivalency. That could have been obtained either through taking a G.E.D.---- Mr. JENNER. What is that? Mr. STATMAN. General education--something--anyway, you can take a test here and they will give you what is know as a high school equivalency, or he might have obtained that in the Army or in the Marine Corps, but this is tantamount to having a high school education without completing the 4 years. Mr. JENNER. But indicating he did not complete 4 years?