Mr. STOVALL. No; we have no equipment and I have no experience in that. I am familiar with the microfilm as to the advantages of it from the standpoint of storage and so forth, but as to participating in any microfilming operation, we don't. Mr. JENNER. Or any microdot in printing? Mr. STOVALL. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. For example, taking a 24 by 24 printed sheet and microdot reducing it to less than the area of a postage stamp. Mr. STOVALL. There are several specialty houses here and this is all done by Recordak and it is a specialty with them and they have the equipment. Mr. JENNER. But you have none and you have never done it? Mr. STOVALL. No. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall the circumstances under which Lee Harvey Oswald was employed by your company? Mr. STOVALL. I know the circumstances only from the statement made by John Graef, the fellow you interviewed this morning. He made the interview himself. We were in the market for a trainee to learn this simple photoprint process. He has had a connection with the Employment Commission and the State Employment Commission for a quite a few years in that we use their services. That's what they are for. Mr. JENNER. You personally had nothing to do with Oswald's initial employment? Mr. STOVALL. No. Mr JENNER. That was Mr. Graef? Mr. STOVALL. Yes; he is the head of that department. Mr. JENNER. Were you aware of his progress or lack of it? Mr. STOVALL. Yes--through their information. Mr. JENNER. Through reports from Mr. Graef? Mr. STOVALL. Right. Mr. JENNER. And he kept you advised from time to time? Mr. STOVALL. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And you were personally aware of Oswald's progress or lack of it? Mr. STOVALL. Right. Mr. JENNER. And were there any incidents that came to your attention with respect to Oswald's relations with other employees? Mr. STOVALL. Not that I personally know of--on occasion one or two fellows would mention that they didn't have any real liking for him because he was such an oddball, but as far as I'm concerned, I never spoke to the fellow. Mr. JENNER. You saw him in and about the premises, however? Mr. STOVALL. Yes, sir; I have seen him in and about the premises. Mr. JENNER. Did any occasion arise in which the subject of his conversation or his talking about Russia arose or was reported to you? Mr. STOVALL. Only after he left our employ was any mention made of it. Mr. JENNER. Tell us about that. Mr. STOVALL. He sought employment at another company here in town, a printing company. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall the name of that company? Mr. STOVALL. Padgett Printing Co.--Padgett Printing and Lithographing Co., and the superintendent over there called me and he gave us as a reference. Mr. JENNER. Do you know the superintendent's name? Mr. STOVALL. Ted Gangel. Mr. JENNER. Would you spell it, please? Mr. JENNER. G-a-n-g-e-l [spelling], or G-a-n-g-l--I won't be sure. Mr. JENNER. They are here in Dallas?