Mr. GRAEF. Yes--my memory fails me a little here, but it seems to me he wore a suit, a dark gray suit, modestly dressed and he was very businesslike and likeable. Mr. JENNER. You say your recollection doesn't serve you well as to his attire on this particular occasion? Mr. GRAEF. That's correct. Mr. JENNER. It could be that he did not have a suit--gray? A collar, or otherwise? Mr. GRAEF. It could have been, yes, but that's just an impression that hits my mind, but I could very easily be wrong. Mr. JENNER. Could he have had a white T-shirt and one of these lightweight zipper jackets on? Mr. GRAEF. No--no, definitely not. Mr. JENNER. Definitely not? Mr. GRAEF. No. Mr. JENNER. You have a definite recollection that he had a suit coat on? Mr. GRAEF. Yes, his appearance was as most young men would appear in applying for a job--tend to look nice and he made a nice appearance. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. GRAEF. So, he came in---- Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, did he have a tie? Mr. GRAEF. Yes. Mr. JENNER. He did have a tie? Mr. GRAEF. Yes; I'm pretty certain he had a tie. Mr. JENNER. He gave you a reasonably fair impression? Mr. GRAEF. That's correct. Mr. JENNER. At first blush? Mr. GRAEF. That's correct--he came in and I met him in the outer office, and we sat down in the outer office. Mr. JENNER. I take it you had never seen this man before? Mr. GRAEF. No; that's correct. Mr. JENNER. Had you ever heard of him before? Mr. GRAEF. No. Mr. JENNER. Did anything occur during the course of that interview which triggered any thought in your mind that you might have, or could have heard about him before? Mr. GRAEF. No. Mr. JENNER. As an individual? Mr. GRAEF. No. Mr. JENNER. He remained throughout a complete stranger except to the extent of your questioning, which elicited some knowledge of him? Mr. GRAEF. That's right. He was at that time a complete stranger. I had never seen him before or heard of him before. He was just another applicant for a job, is what it amounted to. Mr. JENNER. All right. Go ahead. Mr. GRAEF. So, we sat down and he gave me the card and he told me his name was Lee Harvey Oswald, and we went through the normal job interview that we give most young men. I know--I don't, of course, remember--because of the time it has been, the exact extent of our whole conversation, but I do remember various phases of it. Mr. JENNER. Reconstruct it to the extent that you can and avoid to the extent you can assumption--that something must have happened and finally give us, to the best of your ability, what you do recall, even though you don't recall it on the button, so to speak. Mr. GRAEF. Well, certain parts of it I remember almost word for word, and then, of course, other, I think less important parts, I have forgotten completely. I do remember that--I believe that Mrs. Latham in the Texas Employment Agency--at the time that she called me, she said that he had recently been discharged from the Marines.