Mr. GRAEF. No; of course, I have to take into account the evidence of all the other people--some of the things that they said and the way they didn't get along with him and then I saw the way he acted at this particular time, and I had never been particularly close enough to the boy so that I knew his personality. He was strictly a worker who was training and he did the job, or tried to do the job, and so I wasn't very close to his personality at all until this particular incident. It was only when he began--after, we'll say, he got out from under my wing as a trainer and began up to that time--he was following me around and was doing what I told him and there was very little chance for him to be alone with anyone and we didn't have any friction for about the first 2 or 3 months that he was employed, but he then began to be given the responsibility of doing these jobs himself. Mr. JENNER. Himself and with others? Mr. GRAEF. And with others. Mr. JENNER. But not under your very immediate supervision? Mr. GRAEF. Not under my immediate supervision; no. Mr. JENNER. Did this call for him, then, to work and cooperate with others? Mr. GRAEF. Right Mr. JENNER. And this was really the first time---- Mr. GRAEF. Then, we'll say his personality began to come out. In the moving around the darkroom, the way you have to be congenial, cooperative in turning the light on and off as the various stages of the work progress, you may be developing film and someone may be coming out of one of our rooms and need the light on and there has to be a certain amount of give and take in these relationships and it began to become evident--some of the passages--passageways through our darkroom aren't particularly wide and everyone has learned to manage. You can't--you can pass one another, but not without each of you sort of squeezing by a little bit as you go, and it began to be evident that he wasn't congenial or cooperative in working with the rest of the people and moving about the darkroom and so forth.