Mr. JENNER. When was the last occasion you saw the Oswalds? Mr. GLOVER. This, as I said before, was a few days to a week, I believe, after the time I saw them at the De Mohrenschildts'. Mr. JENNER. Was that at your home? Mr. GLOVER. That was at my home. Mr. JENNER. Was this a visit or an assembly that you organized? Mr. GLOVER. Yes; I was the prime mover in organizing it. Mr. JENNER. Tell us what motivated you and what you went about doing, and who was there. Mr. GLOVER. Well, I didn't get a very good impression of Oswald this first time, because I didn't talk with him. But I talked with Volkmar Schmidt, and we talked with Dick Pierce, who was living with us, and we talked about it. I asked Dick if he would like to meet this fellow, like to see what he was like, because the whole thing seemed rather an unbelievable story that this could happen. It was unknown as far as my experience is concerned. And Mrs. De Mohrenschildt had been pushing the fact that Marina did not have anyone to converse with, and she also said that Lee would not make any effort to help his wife learn English. Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, I would like a little more development of that. Who made the statement to you? Mr. GLOVER. One of the De Mohrenschildts. Mr. JENNER. One of the De Mohrenschildts? This was not merely an idle remark, a chance remark made one time, but had they mentioned it several times? Mr. GLOVER. I believe so; yes. Mr. JENNER. In talking to you about the Oswalds? Mr. GLOVER. I would say so. Mr. JENNER. They did say collectively--I mean--they did say affirmatively that one of the problems was that Lee Oswald was adverse to his wife Marina, learning the English language, or to use the English language? Mr. GLOVER. Certainly that he didn't make any effort to help her. Mr. JENNER. All right, okay, go ahead about your party now. Mr. GLOVER. It so happened at this time that Ruth Paine, who is an acquaintance of mine---- Mr. JENNER. How did you become acquainted with Ruth Paine? Mr. GLOVER. I became acquainted with Ruth Paine either through the Unitarian Church here in Dallas, or through a singing group which had members in it, from the Unitarian Church, I am not sure which. As I remember, it may not be entirely correct, but sometime after '56, I think, '56 to '58 in there, I was more active. I had joined the Unitarian Church sometime after coming to Dallas, and I used to sing some time in the church choir, and my former wife did sing much more than I did. Sometime during that period Michael Paine came to sing with the Unitarian Church. It seems he had been trying out various choirs around the town. Mr. JENNER. Had you known him prior to this time?