Mr. LIEBELER. Did you consider whether Oswald was prone to violence or was a violent kind of person? Mr. MARTELLO. No, sir; I did not, for the simple reason that when he had made the friendship of the people with the anti-Castro groups in the city and offered them assistance, and when they saw him on Canal Street with pro-Castro signs they became insulting and abusive to the point of becoming violent toward him, and he never reacted to the action that was being directed toward him. Mr. LIEBELER. These anti-Castro characters attempted to provoke Oswald into some kind of physical conflict, did they not, as a matter of fact? Mr. MARTELLO. That is correct, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. And he didn't respond? Mr. MARTELLO. That is correct, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you eventually learn what became of this case, how it was disposed of in court? Mr. MARTELLO. Yes, sir; the next day, the following Monday. The following Monday I went to court, Municipal Court, and I heard the evidence in the case. He was charged--all of them were charged with creating a scene, which is a typical municipal charge used in minor disturbances. It expedites everything much nicer, and there was no--there wasn't any detailed information given other than what he was charged with. The judge found him guilty and gave him, I believe, $10 or 10 days, or something like that. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember whether Oswald pleaded guilty or not guilty? Mr. MARTELLO. I do not remember, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. The Cubans who were involved in it were released without any fine or any punishment, were they not? Mr. MARTELLO. I do not remember, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. You didn't have any occasion to discuss this thing with Oswald after the case had been disposed of? Mr. MARTELLO. No, sir. That was all there was to it. Mr. LIEBELER. Is there any other reason that you didn't regard Oswald as a violent kind of person, other than the one that you mentioned concerning his failure to respond to the provocation of the Cubans? Mr. MARTELLO. He did not impress me at the time I interviewed him as a violent person by any of the responses to questions, by observing his physical makeup. Not in any way, shape, or form did he appear to me as being violent in any way. He displayed very little emotion and was completely unconcerned and aloof. Off the record? Mr. LIEBELER. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. LIEBELER. When you subsequently heard that Oswald had been arrested in connection with the assassination, were you surprised? Mr. MARTELLO. Yes, sir; I was, I was very much surprised. Mr. LIEBELER. Would you tell us---- Mr. MARTELLO. Because he did not give me the impression of being a violent individual. He was a very passive type of an individual. Mr. LIEBELER. You have had experience with other pickets here in New Orleans on several questions, and have you run into people who demonstrated a passivity in the face of provocation before? Mr. MARTELLO. Yes, sir.