Mr. JENNER. First; did you raise it with him? Mr. THORNLEY. I raised it with him. Mr. JENNER. You being a libertarian as you say? Mr. THORNLEY. Well, at that time I was--my ideas have changed since that time. At that time I was much to the left in my political thinking once again; well, I would say about in the same position that Mr. Stone who I spoke of earlier is now. I was on the "left-hand" side of the acceptable political spectrum in this country, and so, therefore, these issues, the issues I would now raise with him had I again the chance to speak to him, would be much different than the issues I raised with him at that time. I did not raise that issue particularly, I did not push it. Mr. JENNER. Was there much, if any, discussion at the time on the issue of individual liberty? Mr. THORNLEY. No; very little, because I wasn't too concerned about it at the time and neither was he. We were both concerned about what was the best for the greatest number of people. I don't think that concept was clear to either one of us. Mr. JENNER. But, even having in mind the status of your political thinking at that moment, your political thinking did not square with his? Mr. THORNLEY. No; I was opposed to the great trust that he put in, much greater than I suspected at that time, of course, trust that he put in the Soviet Government in the world today I felt they were misguided idealists. He felt they weren't misguided. Mr. JENNER. Give us as best you can recall his comments and views with respect to capitalism of the variety then existing, or as he understood existed in this Nation. Mr. THORNLEY. Well, I wouldn't say that we--I can't recall us having gone into any detail about anything so relevant to anything as capitalism in this Nation at the time. Mr. JENNER. These discussions were broader. They were more abstract? Mr. THORNLEY. Usually, yes. Whenever we got specific we usually discussed the Marine Corps. Mr. JENNER. I see. You did not discuss the United States of America as such? Mr. THORNLEY. No. Mr. JENNER. And the Soviet Union as such, and compared the two countries? Mr. THORNLEY. Well, as I say, you couldn't do this with Oswald because whenever you tried to make any statement about the Soviet Union he would challenge it on the grounds that we were probably propagandized in this country and we had no knowledge of what was going on over there. Mr. JENNER. Did he purport to know what was going on over there? Mr. THORNLEY. No. Mr. JENNER. Did he show any interest in what was going on over there? Mr. THORNLEY. He definitely showed interest. Mr. JENNER. Give us some examples and tell us.