Mrs. GIBSON. He resented any type of authority. He expected to be the highest paid immediately, the best liked, the highest skilled. He resented any people in high places, any people of any authority in government or, oh, in let's say the police force or anything like that, or in your Army, Navy, Marines or whatever he was in. Mr. JENNER. Were there discussions between your husband and him on these subjects? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; quite frequently. They argued a lot about it. Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion--you say he wanted to be the highest paid, he wanted to be the leader and that sort of thing. Did your husband raise with him any necessity on his part to qualify himself for those positions and that high pay? Mrs. GIBSON. Well, my husband told him you can't be something for nothing. He said you can't expect to get high pay and receive a good position with no education and no ambition, no particular goal, no anything. Well, he just expected a lot for nothing. Mr. JENNER. You have the impression that he was not an ambitious person, ambitious in the sense of willing to devote himself to an objective and work toward something? Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't think he knew what he wanted. Mr. JENNER. As distinguished from just being given to him or falling in his lap? Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't think he knew what he wanted, and I don't think he was too interested in working toward anything. He expected things to be just given to him on a silver platter. But in his ideas, he was extremely devoted. Mr. JENNER. He was devoted to his concepts? Mrs. GIBSON. To his ideas as to how he thought. You couldn't change his mind no matter what you said to him. Mr. JENNER. He was rigid in his views then? Mrs. GIBSON. Very, very rigid in his ideas. Mr. JENNER. What did he say about Russia during these periods when you had these discussions? Mrs. GIBSON. Well, he said he was very disappointed in Russia. Russia was not what he thought it would be. It was not the ideal place, that Communism was not the ideal government, that he disliked Communism just as he disliked capitalism, that he disliked Russia very much. Mr. JENNER. Did he tell you about his life in Russia? You were curious about it and your husband too, I assume? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he told us bits and pieces about it, and then of course he gave us a manuscript to read. He told us quite a bit about Russia, yes. Mr. JENNER. Would you please state what you recall as to what he said in that connection? Mrs. GIBSON. Well, I can't recall any specific thing. I recall that he said he was quite sick over there; this didn't hold too well. He said he was treated with a little more deference than the next ordinary Russian person because he was American, that he had a terrific time leaving Russia, and that it scared him very much. Mr. JENNER. You mean terrific in the sense of difficulty?