Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he was. He had just become President, hadn't he? No, he was never mentioned. Now, the only person ever mentioned pertaining to that was the Governor of Texas. Mr. JENNER. He became President in 1960. Mrs. GIBSON. It was the Governor of Texas who was mentioned mostly. Mr. JENNER. Tell us about that. Mrs. GIBSON. First you are going to have to tell me who the Governor was. Mr. JENNER. Connally. Mrs. GIBSON. Connally. Wasn't that the one that---- Mr. JENNER. That had been Secretary of the Navy. Mrs. GIBSON. That had been Secretary of the Navy, was it? Well, for some reason Lee just didn't like him. I don't know why, but he didn't like him. Mr. JENNER. Would this refresh your recollection, that the subject of Governor Connally arose in connection with something about Lee's discharge from the Marines? Mrs. GIBSON. I don't recall. I just know Lee never spoke too much about why he left the Marines or anything like that. I don't know. Maybe it was a dishonorable discharge, I don't know. All I know is that it was something he didn't talk about. And there was a reason why he did not like Connally. Mr. JENNER. Whatever the reason was, he didn't articulate the reason particularly? Mrs. GIBSON. No; he just didn't like him. Mr. JENNER. But you have the definite impression he had an aversion to Governor Connally? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; but he never ever said a word about Kennedy. Mr. JENNER. Did you answer? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I did; yes. Mr. JENNER. Your answer is yes? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. That he did have a definite aversion? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. To Governor Connally as a person? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And did he speak of that reasonably frequently in these discussions? Mrs. GIBSON. No; not really, no. He didn't bring it up frequently. Mr. JENNER. But he was definite and affirmative about it, was he? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he didn't like him. Mr. JENNER. Was General Walker ever discussed? Mrs. GIBSON. No, no. Mr. JENNER. Were there any discussions in these political arguments between your husband Gary and Lee Oswald about, oh, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Birch Society, people having, let's say, extreme right viewpoints or left viewpoints? Mrs. GIBSON. Gary was quite a Democrat, and he disliked the Birch Society intensely. So every once in a while they would come into the conversation, being that Gary felt so personal about them. He didn't like them at all. And Gary once in a while would make a comment, "Oh, he is a Bircher," I can't name any particular person, but just somebody in particular. I think Dallas is a fairly Republican city. No, there was nothing ever about any of the different factions, or right or left wing. Just I know Gary disliked the Birchers. As I recall, I don't think Lee had much to say about them. I think maybe he liked more radical people than we did, you know, the normal straight down the middle or conservative or something.