Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he read the Marx book--what was that, was that the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? No; what was it, about Marxism? Mr. JENNER. "Das Kapital"? Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know what it was, but anyway, he read a book that Marx wrote on Marxism, and that is about all I can recall on his literature. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall some people or a person whose first name was Natasha or Evalina? Mrs. GIBSON. I know Natasha. Mr. JENNER. How did Natasha come into this? Mrs. GIBSON. First you will have to give me her last name so I am sure I have got the right one. Mr. JENNER. I can't give it to you. Mrs. GIBSON. You don't have it? Mr. JENNER. I can't because I don't know. Mrs. GIBSON. You can't because you don't have it? Really? Mr. JENNER. Really. Mrs. GIBSON. Well, Natasha was a friend of my parents. They got in some numerous squabbles and sometimes they'd part. Mr. JENNER. Was she a single lady? Mrs. GIBSON. No; she has a husband. Mr. JENNER. They lived in Dallas? Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; they are Russian. I can't think of her last name for the life of me. Now, I don't know if Natasha knew Lee or not. Natasha was a friend of my father and Jeanne. They got in numerous squabbles. Their friendship would break off and then they'd come back together again after a few months after the squabble had quieted down. Now, whether she knew Lee or not, I don't know. Mr. JENNER. You mentioned that in one of your interviews, and my query of you is what led you to mention that, Natasha? Mrs. GIBSON. Well, being that she was one of the Russian colony I figured probably she would know them. That is all. Mr. JENNER. You were speculating? Mrs. GIBSON. Speculating; that is all. Whether she did or not, I have no idea. Mr. JENNER. In one of your interviews you stated that after Marina had stayed with you, she had moved into the Hall's. Does that refresh your recollection that that 3- or 4-day period was immediately preceding her moving into the Hall's? Mrs. GIBSON. No. When all those questions were given to me, I didn't have much time to think. It was completely by surprise. And when I said that, I meant the first day, because as you found out, those days that I am talking about are extremely vague. Why I don't know, but they are very vague. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall whether possibly Oswald stayed with his mother in Fort Worth? Mrs. GIBSON. Maybe. Mr. JENNER. In this period, say, from October 19 through November 3? Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe he did, because he had to be in Dallas. He couldn't commute to Dallas every day. Does his mother say this? Mr. JENNER. No. Do you have any recollection that Oswald stayed in the Elsbeth Street apartment before Marina was moved in? Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe he did. Mr. JENNER. Did any discussion occur as to whether Oswald had renounced or attempted to renounce his American citizenship? Mrs. GIBSON. No. Mr. JENNER. Was the subject even discussed?