Mr. STUCKEY. That was my impression. I mention this because with this in mind, this is why it was so interesting to me to find out on that day, August 21, that he had lied to me, that he had, in fact, lived in Russia for 3 years, and had just recently returned, and this individual who called me and gave me this information gave me dates of Washington newspaper clippings that I could check, which were stories about his leaving for Russia, or rather his appearance in Moscow in 1959. Mr. JENNER. Now, this information came to you between the time of your interview transcribed as Stuckey Exhibit No. 2 and the 21st of August when you were about to put on your debate program, the discussion program? Mr. STUCKEY. That is correct. Mr. JENNER. Did this come to you sufficiently in advance to enable you to do some checking vis-a-vis newspaper or articles? Mr. STUCKEY. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And was he unaware when he came in at 5:30 on the afternoon of Wednesday that you had done this, had received this information and had done some research? Mr. STUCKEY. He was unaware of that fact. During that day Mr. Butler called, after I had already been tipped off about his Russian residence, Mr. Butler called and said he too had found out the same thing, I think later; his source apparently was the House Un-American Activities Committee or something like that. At any rate, we thought this was very interesting and we agreed together to produce this information on the program that night. Mr. JENNER. You were going to face him on the program with this? Mr. STUCKEY. Unawareness. Mr. JENNER. You thought it might be a bombshell and be unaware to him. Mr. STUCKEY. Exactly. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. STUCKEY. And we decided it would be me who would do it as the introducing participant. So at about 5:30 that afternoon I arrived at the studio alone. Oswald appeared, and in a very heavy gray flannel suit, and this is August in New Orleans, it is extremely hot, that he appears in a very heavy gray flannel suit, very bulky, badly cut suit, and looking very hot and uncomfortable. He had a blue shirt on and a dark tie, and a black looseleaf notebook. Mr. JENNER. The same one he had had before? Mr. STUCKEY. As far as I know. We shook hands, passed a few pleasantries, nothing much of importance. Mr. JENNER. Were the others present? Mr. STUCKEY. No; they arrived a little bit later. Oswald was there first, as usual on time, and then Mr. Butler came in with Mr. Bringuier. Both looked as if they had pounds and pounds of literature with them, and statistics. Mr. JENNER. Did Bringuier and Oswald recognize each other? Mr. STUCKEY. Oh, yes. Mr. JENNER. And it was apparent to you they were acquainted? Mr. STUCKEY. Oh, yes; indeed. Mr. JENNER. And that Oswald was acquainted with Bringuier and vice versa? Mr. STUCKEY. Right. Mr. JENNER. Had Oswald met Mr. Butler before?