Miss MUMFORD. She left with me, yes. We had been traveling together for 2 years. And she also made the journey through the States and through Mexico with me. That takes us up to Los Angeles. Mr. BALL. When did you arrive in Los Angeles? Miss MUMFORD. In the first week of November 1963. Mr. BALL. Is Patricia Winston a legal secretary also? Miss MUMFORD. No; Patricia is an occupational therapist, who was also born in the Fiji Islands and raised in Australia. Our families were friends. And she was unable to obtain work in California owing to certain California laws. She had to sit for some exam to enable her to work here. So, finally, she returned home to Australia in January, mid-January. And she is there now. Mr. BALL. As of 1964? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. How old is Patricia Winston? Miss MUMFORD. She is 23. Mr. BALL. You took a trip into Mexico last fall, didn't you? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. And did you travel from New York to Mexico? Miss MUMFORD. Well, we traveled by bus on a scheme which allowed us to travel on Trailways buses for a period of 3 months for a certain amount. We just got on and off at various places we wanted to see: For instance, Washington, D.C.; Miami, where we stayed a week; then we went across to New Orleans, down through Texas to Laredo, and from Laredo we crossed the border also by bus and went to Monterrey. We spent one day in Monterrey and left by bus at 7:30 p.m. at Monterrey, and it was on that bus that we met Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. BALL. Where did you buy your ticket to Mexico? Miss MUMFORD. Well, the ticket we had on this deal enabled us only to travel in the States, not in Mexico. So, we bought the ticket on the bus at Laredo and that enabled us to stop off in Monterrey. But the ticket was from Laredo to Mexico City. Mr. BALL. And from what company did you buy the ticket? Miss MUMFORD. As far as I can remember, it was a bus company called Transporter del Norte. Mr. BALL. And did you buy the bus ticket in Laredo at the Trailways bus depot? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. What date did you buy the bus ticket? Miss MUMFORD. It must have been September 25. Mr. BALL. And you left Laredo at what time? Miss MUMFORD. Early September the 26th. Mr. BALL. Didn't you leave the bus depot at Laredo on September 25th, about 10 o'clock in the morning, or was it September 26? Miss MUMFORD. September 26. Now, hold on. We had one day in Monterrey and one night in Monterrey. We left Monterrey, I know, on the night of September 26 at 7:30 p.m. Mr. BALL. And you had come down to Monterrey from Laredo the day before, hadn't you? Miss MUMFORD. The day before, yes. Mr. BALL. Now, on the way from Laredo to Monterrey you didn't see Oswald? Miss MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. You saw him on a bus that left Monterrey? Miss MUMFORD. That left Monterrey. But he had traveled from Laredo on that same bus. Mr. BALL. How do you know that? Miss MUMFORD. He told us.