Mr. BALL. What color was it? Miss MUMFORD. I don't know. Mr. BALL. Did he have the bag with him in the seat, or near the seat where he was sitting? Miss MUMFORD. Up on the railing, above him. Mr. BALL. And when he left the bus in Mexico City did he carry the luggage with him? Miss MUMFORD. I can't say for sure. Mr. BALL. When you last saw him standing in the bus depot did he have a piece of luggage in his hand? Miss MUMFORD. I can't remember that either. Mr. BALL. Did Oswald tell you where he had boarded the bus? Miss MUMFORD. No; I don't think he did. Mr. BALL. What was the name of the bus depot in Mexico City where you last saw Oswald? Miss MUMFORD. I am not sure of that. I know the name of the bus, or I am fairly certain of the name of the bus. But I am not sure of the bus station. Mr. BALL. Were there a lot of bus stations? Miss MUMFORD. Well, that is a point I am not sure of. We took a bus down to Acapulco from Mexico City and I have the feeling that was the busline we took to Acapulco. I know there are about three different buslines situated in different places in Mexico City, and I am not sure just what was the name of the depot we came into. Mr. BALL. Now, again, on the luggage, did he have one or more pieces of luggage? Miss MUMFORD. I think it was one. Mr. BALL. Just one? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. And that was a zipper type? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. Are you able to tell me what color it was? Miss MUMFORD. No. Mr. BALL. You saw Oswald on television after the President had been shot, didn't you? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. Now, tell me where you were when you saw the television and who was with you and what you said. Miss MUMFORD. On the Friday night of the 22d, Pat and I left by bus for Las Vegas for the weekend. Patricia was not working at that time. I am not sure whether she had seen television shots--I think we had both seen television shots before we left for the bus station. I am not familiar with whether we realized at that stage that it was him or not. I remember in Las Vegas we had a television in our motel room and it was then that we were both very sure that it was the same man. Mr. BALL. You saw him on television, did you? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. And you thought you recognized him then? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. As the man you had met on the bus? Miss MUMFORD. Yes. Mr. BALL. The man you have referred to as "Texas"? Miss MUMFORD. Yes; well, we knew we had seen him somewhere before, and we were sort of going over our travels in our mind, and it hit us that it was on that bus, particularly when they said he was from Fort Worth, or from Texas. Mr. BALL. Now, can you give me a description of the Englishman; what he looked like? You told me his approximate age. Miss MUMFORD. He was short. Yes; about 5'8". Quite bald, plump; fat. He was also dressed casually. Mr. BALL. Did he have a tie on?