Mr. HUBERT. Any of the news people there then? Mr. STEVENSON. Yes, sir; there were a few. This camera had been moved. They were back over in this area back in here. Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, you are indicating on the chart that they had been moved to what is called there the parking area? Mr. STEVENSON. Parking area of the basement; yes. Mr. HUBERT. All right; go ahead. Mr. STEVENSON. We returned back upstairs to the third floor. Chief Lumpkin and I went to the second floor to the patrol captain's office. Captain Talbert came up to the office and asked us to have a cup of coffee with him, which we did. He asked us at this time about the time of the route of the transfer. We told him at that time that we didn't know definitely, but that we believed that it would be east on Commerce to Central, north on Central to Main, and west on Main to the county jail. Mr. HUBERT. You say that you were not certain of that information, but that you had gathered it? Could you expand on that and tell us where you think you got that information? As far as you are concerned, then, there had been no plans that you knew of as to the route? Mr. STEVENSON. Not the exact route at 9:45 or 10 o'clock, somewhere in that area. He asked us what route it would travel, and we told him that we believed that it would go up to the Central Expressway and west on Main at that time. Mr. HUBERT. When you used the pronoun "we," whom do you mean? Mr. STEVENSON. Chief Lumpkin and I. Mr. HUBERT. So that the route, so far as you knew it at that time, would be out of the Commerce Street exit, turning left, going beyond Pearl Street, which was one way against the direction which you wanted to go, and then over to North Central Expressway? Mr. STEVENSON. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Turning left again and going to Main Street, turning left again, and then all the way down Main to Houston? Mr. STEVENSON. Right. Mr. HUBERT. Did he give any instructions, or did he indicate what he was going to do in connection with that plan? Mr. STEVENSON. He said that he would call 10 men from his outside patrol and place one at each intersection on the route that would be taken to the county jail, which, as I said, at that time we figured would be Main Street, and he did make necessary arrangements. Mr. HUBERT. All right then; go ahead. Mr. STEVENSON. After we had drunk a cup of coffee, we returned back to the third floor and were advised a few moments later--Chief Batchelor advised me that the man had called him and that he was preparing to send the truck now. We again went to the basement, he and I, to see about the arrival of the armored truck.