Mr. ARNETT. I would say lights were on. Now, whether they were floodlights or not, I couldn't tell you. I don't know whether you say just a light fitting there was a floodlight or the lights in the camera or---- Mr. GRIFFIN. No; I am talking about the lights they use to illuminate the picture they are going to take, throw out on the subject? Mr. ARNETT. I will say the cameras had a light in them. I will say that. Now, whether you call them floodlights or not, I don't know. Now, they tell me that they can be on and not be taking pictures unless there is a red light burning. Now, whether that's true or not, I don't know. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Over where these TV cameras are, were there some lights placed in association with those cameras? Mr. ARNETT. All I can remember of, and I am trying to tell you the truth---- Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Mr. ARNETT. Is that the light was on in the camera. You know what I mean, that [indicating] was burning. Mr. GRIFFIN. I don't know if you have taken home movies or anything like that, or just had your picture taken in a photographer's studio, often they beam a lot of lights down? Mr. ARNETT. I know what you are talking about there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any lights like that over by these TV cameras? Mr. ARNETT. I don't remember any like that, but they had to be for it to be alive, I guess, but I don't remember them being on when this happened. Mr. GRIFFIN. Before Oswald came out you were where we put this A at the bottom of the ramp, when you had occasion to look off into the garage area, was it possible to distinguish objects, or distinguish people or cars in there? Mr. ARNETT. There was a car came out the ramp, after we got in line, and went out the ramp on North Main, up the ramp, out on North Main. We broke up---- Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to ask you this simple question, as you looked out over in there, could you see cars or people or anything over behind those TV cameras; could you see anything beyond those TV cameras? Mr. ARNETT. Well, I saw this car that was coming out. Now, that was before Lee Oswald was brought down. Mr. GRIFFIN. But did you see that car before it came out of the garage? Mr. ARNETT. I saw it coming out of the ramp. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, did you see it before it came to the ramp? Mr. ARNETT. I don't believe I did. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. So do you have any recollection as to whether you could see objects in that area? Mr. ARNETT. No, sir; I don't, I sure don't. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you watched that car come out of the garage? Mr. ARNETT. Uh huh. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, where did you watch it go? Mr. ARNETT. It went out the Main Street entrance, up the ramp. Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you see it get to the top of the ramp?