Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that because of the police that were stationed that you didn't have a straight view of the ramp? Mr. BEATY. Yes, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as you looked over in this direction over here, could you see any police officers over in there? The place that I am indicating is in the direction of the Main Street ramp. Did you see any police officers? Mr. BEATY. Yes, sir; some of those officers I mentioned, I don't remember exactly how they were stationed, which ones. The plainclothes officers were standing on this side here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Could you tell us--I am not asking you who you subsequently learned was over there, but who you actually remember seeing in that line? Mr. BEATY. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. The only reason I could on this report I made, I remember who all was down there. That I could remember. And I remember one was on our side, and I assumed the others were on the other side. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as you look over here toward the TV cameras---- Mr. BEATY. I am not looking over there much. Mr. GRIFFIN. If, when you did on occasions look over there, could you see people around the TV cameras? Mr. BEATY. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have any trouble distinguishing their faces? Mr. BEATY. After the lights were on, you couldn't see nothing. Mr. GRIFFIN. After the lights were on, you couldn't see anything over there? Mr. BEATY. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, do you recall whether or not Captain Jones instructed the men that when Oswald was brought out from the jail office to where you men were standing, that you were supposed to begin to start walking alongside of Oswald toward the armored car? Mr. BEATY. He told us to keep the path open, and then he changed this detail here and pushed them all back. Mr. GRIFFIN. If all of the members of the press were along the Main Street ramp and were over behind, roughly behind the railing, or at least behind the TV camera in the direction of the garage area, what function did you people who were stationed along where you have marked your "X," that wall that you have your "X," and up the Commerce Street ramp, what function were you people going to have? Mr. BEATY. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. Mr. GRIFFIN. You certainly didn't expect that you were going to have any trouble from newspaper people, because you were all backed up against the wall, weren't you? Mr. BEATY. I couldn't tell you, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, before Ruby shot Oswald, what did you do? Mr. BEATY. When? Mr. GRIFFIN. Before Ruby shot Oswald. Mr. BEATY. When we first, it occurred to me at the time that--you don't have policemen for 15 years, you don't have to sit down and draw them a diagram to have them cover somebody, and Captain Jones said make the way open, and it occurred to me that if we had to move around that corner, fine. At that time there were people all around here and out in the driveway. Mr. GRIFFIN. At the time Captain Jones set you up, there had been people there?