Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you sure that all of those were placed in that position that they were in, or do you think they could have been someplace else? Mr. CROY. They were placed there when I walked in the basement. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Would you tell us what happened at the time that this automobile went up the Main Street ramp? Which side of the automobile were you standing on? Were you standing between it and the railing, or were you standing between it and the wall? Mr. CROY. It and the wall on the left hand side of the car. Mr. GRIFFIN. About how many people were in that area, would you say, in the general area across from the wall that you were near, and the railing across? Mr. CROY. Police officers and press? Mr. GRIFFIN. How many would you say were there? Mr. CROY. I couldn't say. I don't know. There was several there. They were all standing out in here, and when the car came out, everybody had to get out of the way and let the car get through. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you make any effort to help push the people back? Mr. CROY. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. As cars went up the ramp and got ahead of you people, what did you do? Mr. CROY. I watched it go up the ramp. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see it stop at the top of the ramp? Mr. CROY. No; I just watched it going up the ramp. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see the police officer there at the top of the ramp? Mr. CROY. Not at that time, I didn't. Mr. GRIFFIN. At what point did you lose sight? Where was the car when you lost sight of the car at the top of the ramp? Mr. CROY. When he got almost to the top of the ramp, I turned back around. I didn't watch it drive on out. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. As you looked around, did you see anything of significance? Mr. CROY. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did there come a time when somebody gave you instructions to move the press back against the railing? Mr. CROY. Yes, sir; there was. Mr. GRIFFIN. When was that? Mr. CROY. Prior to them bringing Oswald down. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that before or after the car went up the ramp? Mr. CROY. It was after. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it any substantial length of time after? Mr. CROY. I don't know. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what makes you sure that it was after the car went up the ramp? Mr. CROY. Because it was just prior to them bringing, just prior to them bringing him out. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, if you were told that, if you were to assume that that car moved out of the ramp, approximately 1 minute before Oswald was shot, would you still feel that this order to move the people back from the railing was given after the car went up the ramp? Mr. CROY. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. In other words, you think it could have been as little as, no more than a minute after the car went up the ramp? Mr. CROY. I don't know how long it was. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you feel it was more than a minute after the car went up the ramp? Mr. CROY. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. You think this order was given more than a minute after the car went up the ramp? Mr. CROY. Yes.