Mr. GRIFFIN. How many did you see get it up the ramp? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Two. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you detain those men? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did anybody assist? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Officer Lowery. Mr. GRIFFIN. Anybody else? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Not at the time, because we finally got Lieutenant Swain over there and he talked with them awhile, and at that time when he and Lowery had them, or Swain talked to them, we got their names where we would be able to ask information of them later. Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was the first one of the two of you to arrive at the TV cameras? Was it Lowery or was he there when you came up? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. How much later did Lowery come up? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. When I got over there and this one, I don't know what the names are, I think this one that had the coat on was Alexander, as well as I can remember. He was kind of nervous and shaky. So, then I called Lowery to help me out, because I didn't know whether they might be involved or not. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember where Lowery was standing when you called him over? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I believe he was right over in this area. I am not too sure, but I think he was, because I could see him from here. Mr. GRIFFIN. The point you are talking about is in front of the double doors? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Between the double doors and the driveway close to, I call that the north wall. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, at the time Lowery arrived, was Lieutenant Swain there? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. How much longer would you say after Lowery arrived did Lieutenant Swain? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Well, in the process after I got Lowery over there and we were holding them, we tried to stop two or three officers prior to that, supervisory officers, and they were in a hustle trying to get around, and they finally got Swain, and I think it was maybe 5 or 6 minutes after Lowery got there, and they got Lieutenant Swain to come over and talk to them. Not to talk, but for us to have a conference as to what to do about it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how long did you talk with Lieutenant Swain? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Well, I imagine it was about 3 or 4 minutes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you and Lowery turn the two TV men over to Lieutenant Swain? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. When I got the names and everything, Lowery started getting their names and I left. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Lowery take the names down in a notebook? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. He took the names and he turned them over to the homicide office. Mr. GRIFFIN. You left, and where did you go? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I came back upstairs to my office. Mr. GRIFFIN. On the third floor? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Room 314. Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do when you got up to the juvenile bureau? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. I waited up there until further information. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you wait? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Man, I don't know. We was up there for quite a while. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you eventually go out to Love Field? Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Yes.