Mr. DANIELS. Near 11 o'clock--I wasn't paying much attention to the time, it must have been near 11 o'clock or a little after. Mr. HUBERT. How do you fix that? Mr. DANIELS. Well, I'm trying to fix it at about the time Oswald was shot. Now, I was there about 20 or 25 or 30 minutes before it happened. Mr. HUBERT. When you parked your car, did you sit in your car any length of time at all? Mr. DANIELS. No; I got out and walked back up there. Mr. HUBERT. You mean you immediately got out and walked back up to the Main door--the Main door entrance? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Now, I'm going to show you a drawing, which among other things includes the entrance to the basement, and I am marking it for the purpose of identification as follows: "Dallas, Tex., April 16, 1964, Exhibit No. 5324, Deposition of N. J. Daniels," and I am marking it with my name. I would like you to study this, and I point out to you that this is Main Street, here is the Western Union office, and here is Pearl. Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Over in that direction would be Harwood, Commerce is over here. Mr. DANIELS. Right. Mr. HUBERT. This is the Main Street entrance? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. The sidewalk. Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And I think you are familiar with the fact that there is a stone fence about 2 feet high that runs from the entrance of Main Street toward the street some distance. Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Now, as I understand it, you were parked on Main Street itself? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Facing towards the Western Union Building? Mr. DANIELS. This side of the street. Mr. HUBERT. On the same side of the street as the Western Union Building? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And that you reached there at approximately 11 o'clock? Mr. DANIELS. Yes; at approximately 11 o'clock. Mr. HUBERT. You immediately got out of your car and you walked toward the Main Street ramp? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. When you got down there, did you go past the ramp, or did you stay on the Western Union side of the ramp? Mr. DANIELS. I think when I first got there, I walked over in front of the little entrance down in there. Mr. HUBERT. So you could look right down the ramp? Mr. DANIELS. So I could look in there, because I was on the sidewalk when I did that. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Officer Vaughn? Mr. DANIELS. Yes; I did. Mr. HUBERT. You had known him from the time you were on the police force? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did he recognize you? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And you went to the middle of the ramp, but still on the sidewalk and looked down the sidewalk? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did you stay there very long? Mr. DANIELS. No; I spoke to him and he told me that he was blocking anybody's entrance, in other words, that's what he meant, that he was blocking anybody's entrance into the basement. That's what he was there for. Mr. HUBERT. He was posted at that spot--where was he standing?