Mr. DANIELS. Let's see, there is something else that I have been thoroughly confused on--I have never been able to picture in my mind just how it happened--the guy that I saw go into the basement--I'm not sure it was before or after the car came out. I'm not sure--I have run that in my mind a thousand times, but I just can't place one before the other. Mr. HUBERT. Well, in any case, you saw a man go down in the basement? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And at the time you saw him go down in the basement, where was Vaughn? Mr. DANIELS. In position 2. Mr. HUBERT. In position 2, that is to say, squarely in the middle of the ramp? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did Vaughn look at him? Mr. DANIELS. I think he did. Mr. HUBERT. Did Vaughn try to stop him? Mr. DANIELS. No. Mr. HUBERT. He went right on through? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know how long that was before the shot was fired? Mr. DANIELS. 3 or 4 minutes, I guess. Mr. HUBERT. But what you say is confusing you is as to whether or not that was after the Rio Pierce car came out? Mr. DANIELS. I'm not sure--I can't place one before the other--if I had to guess at it, I would say it was before. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you think now that you saw the man go down past Vaughn before the Rio Pierce car came? Mr. DANIELS. Right. Mr. HUBERT. Is that correct? Mr. DANIELS. That's what I'm thinking. Mr. HUBERT. That's your best recollection today? Mr. DANIELS. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Now, when the Rio Pierce car did drive out and Vaughn left his position at No. 2, didn't you as a matter of fact undertake to watch that position which was left unguarded? Mr. DANIELS. I did notice it to see if anybody went down in it so I could tell him about it. Mr. HUBERT. And nobody did? Mr. DANIELS. No. Mr. HUBERT. And that does not refresh your memory as to whether or not the man you saw go down, went down before or after the Pierce car came out? Mr. DANIELS. Let me see--I still think it was before. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know that now? Mr. DANIELS. No; I can't be positive--I don't know it. Mr. HUBERT. Isn't it a fact that you thought at one time he was the man you had seen somehow when you were on the police force? Mr. DANIELS. Well, yes; and here's what--when the guy walked down in there and Vaughn seemed to look at him, the impression I got was that Vaughn knew him and maybe he had let him out and still, I wondered too why he let him go down in there, because he wasn't letting anybody else go down in there. He looked like one of the news reporters or something, at least that's what I took him to be after Vaughn let him go on down. I had seen him before and I thought, well, maybe he's one of the news reporters down there at the city hall.