Mr. HUBERT. In the direction---- Captain JONES. In the direction of the driveway, and after getting them out there, not knowing the specific instructions that might have been given I said, "Chief Batchelor, would it be possible to have all this media be placed north of a line from the east corner of the jail office--all right. To move all the news media north of a line formed from the corner of the jail office from the corridor to across the ramp leading down from Main Street, to have all reporters north of that line, and that east of a line running off from this point across the driveway going south down to the exit from the basement parking area." Mr. HUBERT. All right, I am going to mark, as you have indicated on the map, by making a line starting--with the letter "A" on the corner formed by the intersection of the jail corridor and the basement ramp moving east to a point, "B", which I am marking---- Captain JONES. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Which is the east side of the ramp, and to another point marked "C". Captain JONES. Well, now, actually, that line would extend all the way up here at that time. I meant to keep them back on those two--and in order---- Mr. HUBERT. Am I correct in what your suggestion was that the news media should be kept north of the line marked A and B? Captain JONES. That's right. Mr. HUBERT. And east of the line which runs "B to C," the point "C"? Captain JONES. I didn't spell it out in those details, but that is the general idea, yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. "B" being the top of the Commerce Street ramp? Captain JONES. For this reason, that we would have only two sides to watch. The rest of it would be more or less brick wall, and he agreed to that. The officers were stationed previously by other people along these lines, so, I went out there with some of these officers and I don't know how many, and we did get those people back. Mr. HUBERT. You got them back? Captain JONES. We got them back fairly well at that time. Mr. HUBERT. Behind the lines? Captain JONES. Behind these lines. In fact, there at one time it was completely clear. Mr. HUBERT. That would have been how long before Oswald came down? Captain JONES. There again, I couldn't say. It was a matter of a few minutes. Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell me how many people were in the area that I am marking with a pen, "Area A"? Captain JONES. I cannot tell you. Mr. HUBERT. Which is to say, the area north of the line "A", which you recently drew? Captain JONES. Mr. Hubert, that would be truly a guess on my part along with knowledge obtained later and watching these TV films. Unconsciously, I would have to use that, for I don't have any idea on it. Mr. HUBERT. Were they standing shoulder to shoulder across the ramp? Captain JONES. It wasn't when we first pushed them back there, it was possibly six or eight people, and possibly a few more than that including officers. I didn't stop to--told the officers, "Get them back," "get them back."