The position that they are talking about that has been previously identified, I did not have what you would call an unobstructed view of the area, due to the presence of somewhere around 20, somewhere between 15 and 20 newsmen that were standing between me and the basement parking area. Mr. HUBERT. Where were you standing? Does that Exhibit 5123, state? Dr. BIEBERDORF. It states that I was standing in the basement at an intersection of the hallway beneath the city hall. Mr. HUBERT. Isn’t that correct? Dr. BIEBERDORF. That is correct, and I suppose that is the only intersection of hallways underneath the city hall to the basement. I can assure you on this [indicating]. Mr. HUBERT. Yes. All right, now, in connection with your explanation of the sentence you have just quoted, I want to ask you what your position was in the jail basement area. Now, you have examined the mockup which is in this room, and in order to make a permanent record of where you pointed out you were, I am marking a chart of the basement as follows: “Dallas, Tex., March 31, 1964. Exhibit 5124. Deposition of Dr. Fred Bieberdorf.” I am signing my name, and below that, and in order that the record may show that we are both talking about the same document, I ask you to sign your name below mine, and then correlating the mockup and the chart marked Exhibit 5124, ask you to place an “X” and encircle the “X” as to the position you were standing at the time of the shooting. Dr. BIEBERDORF. Let me look at this. Yes, that is the exact way. This is accurate [indicating]. Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have marked---- Dr. BIEBERDORF. I drew in another line to represent the wall around the corner. Mr. HUBERT. You have also placed an “X” in your own handwriting, and I am writing now the following: “Position of Dr. Bieberdorf at the time of shooting.” I am encircling that language and connecting it by a line with the circle drawn by Dr. Bieberdorf. All right. Now, have you any other comments to make about Document Exhibit 5123? Dr. BIEBERDORF. A few more minor ones. Several more minor ones. Mr. HUBERT. All right. Dr. BIEBERDORF. Page 1, second paragraph, the last sentence on that page states “He stated that he then immediately saw Ruby laying faceup in the jail office lobby, approximately 10 feet inside the jail lobby door.” Mr. HUBERT. Now, your comment. Dr. BIEBERDORF. My comment is that I did see Ruby’s feet, at least, but I did not notice whether he was lying faceup or facedown. He was surrounded by a number of police officers. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Ruby at the time? Dr. BIEBERDORF. No, I didn’t have any idea who it was, and that is the reason that I got so close there, that I thought that this was Oswald. Mr. HUBERT. You thought it was the man who had been shot?