Mr. HARDIN. I am not sure. And then there was a doctor riding in the seat in the back, there, and then my assistant was in the front seat. Mr. HUBERT. How did you know the man was a doctor? Mr. HARDIN. I have seen him at Parkland Hospital several times and city hall, too, and recognized him as being a doctor. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know his name? Mr. HARDIN. Sir? Mr. HUBERT. Do you know his name? Mr. HARDIN. No, sir; I don’t know his name. He was in here just before us. Mr. HUBERT. Let the record show that Dr. Fred Bieberdorf was in the hall with the witness, Mr. Hardin, and appeared in this room where this deposition is being taken just before Mr. Hardin came in. All right. Mr. HARDIN. And we got him in the car, or ambulance, they drove the armored truck on out of the basement on the Commerce Street side, and we went out behind the truck. Of course, the truck was there when we left, and then went east on Commerce to the expressway, and north on the expressway to Elm and then west on Elm to Harwood and north on Harwood to Harry Hines, and north on Hines to Parkland. Mr. HUBERT. And what happened when you got to Parkland? Mr. HARDIN. When we got to Parkland we went in the emergency entrance, pulled around there, backed up to the dock. Of course, it was pretty crowded there, too. People had, I guess, saw the thing on television and came out there to see us when we came in with him, and as soon as we got--took him out of the car, took him into the emergency room--we got to the hall of the emergency room itself, and they put him on one of their tables from our carriage, and we cleared from the call, but there was a few minutes before we cleared. We were waiting in the hall because it was so crowded that we couldn’t get through, so we waited in the hall and I imagine it was about an hour, from the time we got the call before the time we cleared. I believe it was an hour and 9 minutes, if I am not mistaken. Mr. HUBERT. Would it help you if you looked at Exhibit No. 5127, to determine the time of the call? Mr. HARDIN. Well---- Mr. HUBERT. As far as the time of the clearance of the call? Mr. HARDIN. Yes, sir; the call was at 11:21, and cleared at 12:30, and I believe it took 9 minutes from the time we got the call on the air until we were at Parkland with him. Mr. HUBERT. How did you determine that the call came in at 11:21? Mr. HARDIN. That is the time that I believe the call came into our office. Mr. HUBERT. That is what you have on Exhibit 5127? Mr. HARDIN. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. What I mean by that is that Exhibit 5127 was prepared in your handwriting, but insofar as that time is concerned it was taken off Exhibit 5125, was it not? Mr. HARDIN. Yes, sir; that’s correct. Mr. HUBERT. There is no mechanism there in the ambulance itself which fixes the time of a call? Mr. HARDIN. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. No timeclock or anything? Mr. HARDIN. No, sir.