Mr. TURNER. To my knowledge, up until the following morning after the shooting of Oswald, there was no checking of passes that we ran into. Now, there was a checking after the shooting when we left the building, but I left the building with the pass, and came back in the building with the pass. Mr. HUBERT. I am sure that during the 48 hours, approximately, between the President’s death and the shooting of Oswald, that you must have had occasion to go in and out of that building a number of times. Mr. TURNER. I used it at Parkland Hospital. I used it at the city hall also without being stopped, or asked what kind of pass it was. Mr. HUBERT. Prior to November 24, did you know that man now known as Jack Ruby? Mr. TURNER. No; I didn’t, sir. Mr. HUBERT. You had never seen him before? Mr. TURNER. I had never seen him. Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever heard of him? Mr. TURNER. I had never heard of him. Mr. HUBERT. Now, of course, since November 24, you have heard of Jack Ruby. You have seen his picture, I take it? Mr. TURNER. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever seen him in person? Mr. TURNER. Yes, sir; I saw him at the trial. At various times when they took him in the courtroom, except the morning of the shooting I saw him. Mr. HUBERT. You saw him then, too? What I wanted to get at was whether you ever saw the man now known as Jack Ruby, in the police building prior to the time that you saw him immediately before the shooting? Mr. TURNER. To my knowledge, I had never seen him until then. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have occasion to go to the assembly on the night of Friday, November 22, at which time Oswald was brought into the assembly room, or lineup room, I think it is in the police building, and as Oswald was shown, I think, by the district attorney to the various reporters who were assembled there? Mr. TURNER. No, sir; we didn’t arrive over until 1 a.m., Saturday morning prior to the shooting, so we did not have access to the lineup room that night. Mr. HUBERT. Now, on the morning of the 24th, would you tell us what your activities were? Mr. TURNER. Well, we--I am not sure on the exact time we arrived. I think it was around 7:30, from Fort Worth. We set up our cameras down in the basement. We had one on the third floor and one camera on the truck, on the outside exit way from the jail. The driveway on the Commerce Street side of the jail. We set our cameras up right across from the door in the hallway where they bring the prisoners out to transfer them, or Oswald out, which--and that little hallway is very narrow. Do you have a plan there? Mr. HUBERT. Just a moment. (Discussion off the record.)