Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; give him orders they couldn’t let him out. Opened the first door, and walked out into the lobby, you know, got a little lobby. This is as far as they got, that lobby there. Mr. HUBERT. What about the Main Street entrance? Mr. McKINZIE. Nobody went to Main Street. Nobody went to that door. Mr. HUBERT. Who had the key to those doors? Mr. McKINZIE. Mr. Pierce, the engineer. Mr. HUBERT. He is the engineer? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Where--what is his first name, do you know? Mr. McKINZIE. I really don’t know his first name, but he was on duty that Saturday. Mr. HUBERT. He is the engineer? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. He works in the basement? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes; subbasement. Mr. HUBERT. Subbasement. That’s where all the engineering equipment and air conditioning is located? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Is he the only one who has the keys? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; I don’t know how many engineermen they have down there, but I understand every one of them has keys. Every one. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have a key? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. The keys you had were to the elevator and to the back door facing on the alley, is that right? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Do you use any kind of a sign-in and sign-out system? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Did you do so that day when you let the porters out? Mr. McKINZIE. The porters don’t sign. Mr. HUBERT. Well, they---- Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; the porters don’t sign. Mr. HUBERT. Now, what would you say if I’d tell you that both Alfreadia Riggs and Henry--I think it is Harold Fuqua say they did go out of the building? Mr. McKINZIE. Well---- Mr. HUBERT. Riggs says he went out through the back door, through the back elevator door and through the door and he walked on down Main Street and Fuqua says he went out the Main Street entrance. Mr. McKINZIE. During the time that I had it cut off? Mr. HUBERT. Yes, sir. Mr. McKINZIE. Well, now, it was they went out of that building, I understand, but now, they didn’t go out the elevator. What I understand, they went through the building somewhere and went down in the police department, because that is where they got stopped at. At the police department, they got cut off down there. Mr. HUBERT. They were in the municipal building? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes; they was in the municipal building. Mr. HUBERT. And that was after you had been told not to bring anybody down? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; I saw them. Mr. HUBERT. You saw them after that? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Therefore, the only way they could get down or out of that building was in one of the methods we have talked about. Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; that’s right. Mr. HUBERT. On out the Main Street door, going out the Commerce Street door, going through the corridor that goes to the jail. Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Or going down the steps? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right.