Mr. PIERCE. When you say “those doors,” you are referring to the single door on each stairway, of which there are two, or still speaking of a one single door which leads to the stairway which goes down to the basement? Mr. HUBERT. To the basement, the other two do not go down into the basement. It is the single--that is what I mean, when I said you would have to leave the first floor and go down into the basement, you could take that stairway, so that a person getting into the main floor, can get to the police basement by using that stairway? Mr. PIERCE. That’s right. He can come down it and go out, but he cannot leave the basement area and go up, because it is always locked. The entrance to the building is locked. That door is always locked. Mr. HUBERT. But, going the other way, that is to say, from the main building down to the basement via that staircase, you would need no key, and that door is open all the time? Mr. PIERCE. Right, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Even on weekends? Mr. PIERCE. Right, sir. That is one of the other means? Mr. HUBERT. Well, that leaves, I think, one other entrance to the municipal building, and the entrance in the back on the alleyway. Now, are you familiar with that entrance and that door? Mr. PIERCE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Will you tell us about that--how that door operates? Mr. PIERCE. It is a door--double door. Mr. HUBERT. A double door? Mr. PIERCE. Comes together and has a lock on it, which when locked is locked both from the inside--you can’t get out, and the outside you can’t get in. Mr. HUBERT. So, when locked you need a key to go either way, is that correct? Mr. PIERCE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. All right, now, suppose someone had a key and went out that door, and simply let the door slam behind him, well, would that door be, at that time, locked or unlocked? Mr. PIERCE. It will be unlocked. Mr. HUBERT. To lock it you must use a key to turn the lock? Mr. PIERCE. You have to step outside the door and turn around and use your keys to lock it back. Mr. HUBERT. And, if you don’t do that, it is an open door? Mr. PIERCE. It is an open door. Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, it might be closed, but all you’d have to do is turn the knob and go on in? Mr. PIERCE. That’s what I mean. It is open until you take your key and relock yourself out. No one else can get in without a key. Mr. HUBERT. Now, do you know whether anyone did go through that door from the first floor into the alleyway that day from your own knowledge? Mr. PIERCE. Not from actually having seen them, but as a matter of my knowledge, I am quite sure that that door was opened and closed probably several times prior to the shooting because the porters work. In their normal assigned work, now, they take out trash and paper sacks and garbage and whatnot. Mr. Servance, the head porter, always has a key to that door for the removal of trash.