Mr. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Any variations that you saw? Mr. CARLIN. [To Mr. Jackson.] May I ask, at the time that I talked to you, did you make some kind of notes or is that what you are doing? Mr. JACKSON. I was taking notes of the whole proceedings. Let me ask you, on November 22, 1963, Karen said she heard about the shooting of the President from Andrew Armstrong. Who called and stated that the Carousel would be closed that night? I think you indicated to me that at the time you or maybe possibly you and she heard about it in some other way prior to that time? Mr. CARLIN. I myself misunderstood the question--that is correct, but what I thought she said was the way she heard that Oswald was killed. Mr. JACKSON. All right, to your knowledge, how did she learn that Oswald was killed? Mr. CARLIN. I was watching television and I don’t remember the program, but a news bulletin interrupted the program and said a man by the name of Ruby, I believe. Mr. JACKSON. Jack Ruby? Mr. CARLIN. I don’t remember whether it said Jack or it said Ruby, a Dallas nightclub owner, had attempted to assassinate Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassinator of John F. Kennedy, and I made the statement, “I bet they mean Ruby.” Mr. JACKSON. You made the statement to whom? Mr. CARLIN. Karen. I said, “I bet they mean Ruby.” Mr. JACKSON. Why did you make this statement, do you remember? Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Jackson, may I ask him--I have no objection whatsoever to your asking any questions, but I think perhaps for the sake of the record, it would be better if I ask them, and then when we finish asking him, you absolutely have the right to go ahead. Mr. JACKSON. I was just trying to help you. Mr. CARLIN. I really don’t recall if it said Jack Ruby or not. I don’t know what made me say, “I bet that is Ruby,” but I know the announcer on TV seemed not to be sure, and said that this was not verified yet. And only a few minutes later the phone rang and it was Tammi True who asked if I had seen television. Mr. HUBERT. Did you speak to her yourself? Mr. CARLIN. Yes, I picked the phone up and she said, “Were you watching television?” And I said, “Yes.” She said, “Did you know Jack Ruby just killed Oswald?” And I said, “I just made that statement to Karen, I bet that is what the man meant.” The only reason that I can think of that I said, “I bet that is Jack Ruby,” is the fact that he may have said Jack Ruby, or maybe a man by the name of Ruby running a Dallas strip joint. I think that is the way he said it. Mr. HUBERT. In any case, what you want to tell now is that you differ with your wife’s recollection of how she learned of the shooting of Oswald in that you yourself saw it on television and remarked to her that at least it could have been Jack Ruby, and then it was confirmed by the call?