Mr. HUBERT. Do you mean--that last condition you described took place when anybody came out of Fritz’ office, or when they came out with Oswald? Mr. SORRELS. No--I would not say just anybody, but many times when I would start out, the minute they would see anyone coming out of the door, they would turn the lights on, I guess to be prepared in case Oswald or anyone else that they wished to photograph would come out. Mr. HUBERT. During the period that we are talking about, that is, say, from the arrest of Oswald the first time you saw him until the 24th, I take it that you observed Oswald being moved from Captain Fritz’ office to the jail elevator at least quite a number of times. Mr. SORRELS. I can only recall two times, I believe. The first time is when he was taken out of Captain Fritz’ office on the afternoon of the 22d. Then there were two other occasions I knew of when he was brought back into Captain Fritz’ office and when he was taken out. I remember that many times. In other words, about three going out and two coming in I can definitely recall. Mr. HUBERT. Well, do you recall that while he was being so moved on any one of those occasions, that he was addressed by the press or questions asked him, or remarks made to him? Mr. SORRELS. No, because the time that I saw him he was in Captain Fritz’ office or being removed from his office. I never saw him in the hallway that I can recall. Mr. HUBERT. Well, I thought you had mentioned a little while ago that on the first occasion you did observe him--after you had interviewed him for about 10 minutes--you did observe him move out of Fritz’ office and go to the elevator. Mr. SORRELS. I think your question, as I understand it, sir, was that he was removed from Captain Fritz’ office to the elevator. I did not see him taken down the hallway. Mr. HUBERT. I see; I did misunderstand you. Mr. SORRELS. Sorry. Mr. HUBERT. So you do not know really whether or not any news media or any other people asked him questions and made remarks to him while he was going from Fritz’ office to the elevator. Mr. SORRELS. Not of my personal knowledge; no, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Could those news people see into Fritz’ office from the hallway? Mr. SORRELS. They could see into the outer office, but they could not very well see into his office unless they actually came inside the office within which his office is located. You have got one door that faces on the west side of the office, and then Captain Fritz’ there faces north. So that it would be a question of someone might see just a corner portion of his office from the hallway door, which is glass at the top, but they would not be able to see anyone sitting, for example, where Oswald would have been sitting at the time that I saw him in Captain Fritz’ office. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, there was a glass door to what might be called the outer office of Captain Fritz’ office. Mr. SORRELS. That’s right.