Mr. CRAFARD. I believe in the trial in Texas it came out pretty well to where it just about had to be between 4:30 and 5 when he called. Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you arrive at that conclusion? Mr. CRAFARD. At the trial, there was quite a bit of questioning on this effect. Mr. GRIFFIN. Of you? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. And I believe the different times that some of the previous witnesses had given the lawyer, and I come to the agreement it must have been about between 4:30 and 5 o’clock that he called me. Mr. HUBERT. What is your best recollection now? That is what we want to get. Mr. GRIFFIN. Let’s disregard what other people have told you to suggest what the time is, and try to think about your own activities. As I recall, you testified that you talked for 2 or 3 hours with a girl on the telephone. Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. And then you read for a while, and then you apparently started to doze off, to go to sleep. Mr. CRAFARD. I believe the other time, the time element I used yesterday would be more of a correct time than this. Mr. HUBERT. Tell us just your recollection right now today. Mr. CRAFARD. I would say between about 3:30 and 4:30. In the same paragraph further down, closer towards the bottom. “When he got to the car, George, Ruby’s roommate, was also there and they drove out on the Stemmons Freeway.” I believe in this testimony here the Stemmons Freeway was more of a suggested name to me than anything else. I would like to clearly state I am definitely not positive of that sign. Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe you testified also yesterday that it was the Central Expressway. Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. I believe it was on the Central Expressway. Referring to page 152 of this testimony, and back to previous testimony, I have made here concerning the mention of the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, I believe that this would be about the first time that we used the name of Oswald, was used very much among us. Previous to this, I don’t believe there was any reference made to this person by name. Mr. GRIFFIN. Starting on page 151? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. With the sentence, “He also recalled that while being at the waffle shop on Commerce Street, Ruby was reading about Lee Harvey Oswald in a newspaper.” Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long a time would you say you spent at the waffle shop? Mr. CRAFARD. Twenty or twenty-five minutes, maybe a half hour. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what time it was when you were at the waffle shop? Mr. CRAFARD. Right around six in the morning. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you spend at the Earl Warren sign photographing that sign? Mr. CRAFARD. Not more than 20 minutes at the most. Mr. GRIFFIN. You think it might have been as long as 20 minutes? Mr. CRAFARD. It might have been; yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you spend some time in the car talking about the sign before you got out to photograph it? Mr. CRAFARD. No. I believe we got out of the car immediately when we pulled over.