Mr. LITCHFIELD. Never before that—she said she had seen me, but there was no recollection or no introduction prior to that time. Mr. HUBERT. Well, what happened to the negotiations that you engaged in with her? Mr. LITCHFIELD. It would be that I would have had to divorce my wife and had to have married her for any other further business to have been transacted. Mr. HUBERT. If I’m not mistaken, isn’t she an older woman than you are a man? Mr. LITCHFIELD. I believe she is—she’s 30-something or 40-something. Mr. HUBERT. And you are saying to us that she made it a condition? Mr. LITCHFIELD. It wasn’t a verbal condition—it was a obvious condition. It was a situation that was arising, let’s say that. Mr. HUBERT. And you perceived that you would have to marry her if this thing was to go forward? Mr. LITCHFIELD. That, or divorce my wife. Mr. HUBERT. But she did not say so? Mr. LITCHFIELD. No. Mr. HUBERT. You think she intimated it? Mr. LITCHFIELD. Let’s say, from my past experience and knowledge of—worldly knowledge—I would assume this, that’s being kind of tactful. Mr. HUBERT. I was wondering if you could point to any events, since you can’t point to any words that gave you that impression? Mr. LITCHFIELD. Without being too personal or intimate on my own actions or any actions other than hers, no; and I don’t care to be. Mr. HUBERT. All right. Did you know Jack Ruby? Mr. LITCHFIELD. Yes; I knew Jack. Mr. HUBERT. How did you meet him? Mr. LITCHFIELD. Jack used to own the Vegas Club and I used to go there quite a bit. Mr. HUBERT. How do—how long do you suppose it is that you have known Jack? Mr. LITCHFIELD. Oh, I would say from 1959—October, roughly. Mr. HUBERT. Continuously? Mr. LITCHFIELD. Well, I will go in and say “hello” to him, see him whenever I would go in. It wasn’t a friendship relation that I would go out of my way to call him or see him or that he would call me. He had no way of knowing how to call me. He knew me when he saw me and said, “Hello, how are you?” Mr. HUBERT. What about the Carousel Club, did you visit it? Mr. LITCHFIELD. I have been in that place twice. Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us when that was? Mr. LITCHFIELD. When I was associated with Bertha and she was thinking of putting in a business, we looked at a whole bunch of clubs she thought were for sale, and I knew the Vegas Club was not making any money and I would have liked to have tried to buy it from Jack, so one night I went down to see him—I had called and he said he would be there about 10:30 or 11 and he got there about 11:15 or 11:30, something like that, and I discussed the purchase of the Vegas Club and that’s when he told me it had, I think, $40,000 worth of Federal liens or something against it which still had it, and he tried to sell me the Carousel and I wouldn’t attempt to put in a private club in downtown Dallas; I was thinking of making the Vegas a private club by remodeling it.