Mr. GRIFFIN. To your knowledge, when did Jack first become friendly with Ralph Paul? Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I don’t remember. Let’s see; I don’t remember whether—I just can’t remember exactly when I first knew Ralph Paul. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he friendly with Ralph Paul when you first started dating Jack? Mrs. NICHOLS. No; I believe I went with him for several years before I ever heard of Ralph Paul or met him. I just don’t remember when I met Ralph Paul. I was trying to think whether I remembered him before Jack went back to Chicago. I believe I met him before he went back to Chicago in 1952. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have any business connections with Jack at that time? Mrs. NICHOLS. Jack had mentioned that Ralph Paul had loaned him money. Mr. GRIFFIN. When was it, as you understand it, that Ralph first loaned Jack money? Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember exactly. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Mr. Paul ever have an interest in the Vegas Club? Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; he had mentioned Gordon McLendon to me. Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were dating Jack, how often did Jack contact Mr. Paul? Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I don’t know how often he contacted him. I would see him around the club quite frequently. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you say that Mr. Paul, during the period you were dating Jack, was one of the more frequent visitors to the Vegas Club? Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Other than the lending of money by Paul to Jack, do you know of any other business relationship that Ralph Paul and Jack Ruby had with each other? Mrs. NICHOLS. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were dating Jack, did you know George Senator? Mrs. NICHOLS. No; I never did know him. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know if Jack Ruby was a friend of Gordon McLendon? Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes; he mentioned Gordon McLendon to me. Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first hear Jack mention Gordon McLendon? Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t remember. I would say several years before we quit going together, before 1959, maybe 3 or 4 years. I can’t remember when he first mentioned him to me. Mr. GRIFFIN. What did Jack indicate to you about his acquaintanceship with Mr. McLendon? Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, I think that he mentioned that Gordon McLendon had given him some advertising time on his radio station. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you understand it was free advertising time? Mrs. NICHOLS. He didn’t say whether it was. I don’t recall him saying whether he paid for it or not. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he know McLendon any way other than a business way? Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t know whether he went out with him socially or not. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Mr. McLendon ever visit the Vegas Club? Mrs. NICHOLS. I never did see him in there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now did Jack ever mention the name of a man Stanley Kaufman? Mrs. NICHOLS. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack know Mr. Kaufman when you began dating him? Mrs. NICHOLS. I don’t believe he did. I never did hear him mention him. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the nature of Jack’s acquaintanceship with Mr. Kaufman? Mrs. NICHOLS. Well, he was Jack’s lawyer.