Mr. HUBERT. And subsequently that became the Silver Spur. Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any business connections with Ruby at all until he got to owe you some money? Mr. PAUL. Well, I’ll tell you the whole thing—the whole story. Mr. HUBERT. Yes; that’s best—that’s the best way to do it. Mr. PAUL. Well, one day he came in with a friend of his—he’s now deceased. Mr. HUBERT. If you could fix the time and place—as you go—it would be helpful, and I know it’s a long time ago but perhaps we will have to take an approximation. Mr. PAUL. Maybe it was 1949 or 1950 or 1951, I can’t remember those years, and he asked me for a loan. Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what the friend’s name was? The one that he came in with? Mr. PAUL. He’s now deceased, but it was Marty Gimpel. Mr. HUBERT. And the two of them came to you? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And wanted to borrow some money? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. How much was it they wanted to borrow? Mr. PAUL. $2,000. Mr. HUBERT. Did you lend it to them? Mr. PAUL. He said to me, “I’ve got a show, I want to buy the Bob Wills Ranch House”—did you get this one in there any place—he said, “I’ve got to show it,” and he says, “All I want to do is show them that I’ve got the money and I’ll give it back to you the following day.” Well, not that I knew the guy so much, but you know, you can’t turn people down like that if he wants to pay me the next day, so I loaned him $2,000. Mr. HUBERT. Did you get a note? Mr. PAUL. No; he was going to pay me back the next day. Well, the next day didn’t come. Subsequently he roped me in for $3,700. Mr. HUBERT. You mean—more? Mr. PAUL. With the $2,000—$3,700 altogether. Mr. HUBERT. Making $1,700 more? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Now, why don’t you just tell us in your own words just how this relationship developed and so forth? Mr. PAUL. It’s silly but true, and when I tell it, it’s really funny. The next time he comes he says, “They didn’t think it enough money to show for the place, I’ve got to show them $3,000,” so I gave him another $1,000. Mr. HUBERT. That would have been just a few days after? Mr. PAUL. Yes—that’s 2 days afterwards. Instead of the next day coming—he came 2 days and he says, “This is it positively—I’ve just got to show them the money.” Well, he didn’t come around that Saturday, and subsequently he came around and he said he had to use the money to get into the business there. What do you do with a person—you’re just stuck. You can’t do nothing until then—you can’t do nothing with them. That went on for a couple of months, and now, listen to this: One day, on a Friday—that’s how the other $700 is going to come in—on a Friday he comes in and he says, “If I don’t get the money to buy beer, I’ve got to close it down.” Well, you’ve got to think—you’re already stuck with $3,000—that’s how the payments came when I was with him at the Vegas Club—you understand me? Mr. HUBERT. Yes; so, you gave him another $700 on that occasion?