Mr. PAUL. It was right off the entrance to the—as you walk in—do you know where the entrance is when you walk in? Mr. HUBERT. From Harwood Street? Mr. PAUL. What? Mr. HUBERT. On Harwood Street? Mr. PAUL. No; it’s on Commerce. Mr. HUBERT. Not the basement ramp? Mr. PAUL. The basement ramp. Mr. HUBERT. You went through the basement ramp? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. What time was that, about? Mr. PAUL. Maybe 1 o’clock, and so we meet him, and he says, “They won’t let you see him anyway, you had better go over and stay at the office. I think it’s on television.” So we walked over to his office and we watched television until about 3 o’clock. Mr. HUBERT. That was Jackson and you and Howard? Mr. PAUL. No; not Howard—a girl Tammi True. Mr. HUBERT. Tammi True and you went to Howard’s office? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And Howard was there? Mr. PAUL. No; I was in the courthouse—he sent us over there. Mr. HUBERT. Howard sent you to his office to watch television? Mr. PAUL. Yes; to watch television. Mr. HUBERT. And he went where, do you know? Mr. PAUL. I don’t know. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what he did? Mr. PAUL. No; he—some more lawyers they all got together and then they left again and they came back again and riding into town, that’s when we heard that Oswald was dead—died. Mr. HUBERT. When you got to Howard’s office, you knew he had died? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did Howard tell you he had tried to get a writ of habeas corpus for Ruby? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And what happened to that proceeding, do you know? Mr. PAUL. I don’t know. Mr. HUBERT. So you stayed there, you said, until about when? Mr. PAUL. 3 o’clock. Mr. HUBERT. Who is Tammi True? Mr. PAUL. That’s one of the girls that worked at the club before—she was an entertainer. Mr. HUBERT. Was she at the Bull Pen? Mr. PAUL. No; she lives in Fort Worth. Mr. HUBERT. How did she come to be riding with you and Jackson? Mr. PAUL. She came up to the Bull Pen when she heard about Jack Ruby. Mr. HUBERT. Did you drive in her car? Mr. PAUL. No; in Jackson’s car. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, when she heard it at her home in Fort Worth, she came to your place and the three of you came downtown and stayed until 3 o’clock? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Then what happened? Mr. PAUL. I went back—went back home. Mr. HUBERT. The three of you? Mr. PAUL. No; I went as far as—we took Tammi back and then I let Jackson off and I went back to Dallas and went to the movies. Mr. HUBERT. You took Tammi back to Fort Worth? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And then came back to Arlington? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And left off Jackson? Mr. PAUL. Yes; and I went back to the movies, because when I came in, I says, “Anybody looking for me,” to the cashier, and she says, “A reporter and a photographer was calling you.” Mr. HUBERT. That was at the Bull Pen? Mr. PAUL. Yes.