Mr. SENATOR. Let me put it this way: I can’t quote it. I really can’t quote it, but I would say that he lived in Hillsboro and he used to come up on weekends and I believe he stayed with his friend in Irving, Frank Irwin. Mr. HUBERT. What was the friend’s name? Mr. SENATOR. Frank Irwin. Mr. HUBERT. I-r-w-i-n? Mr. SENATOR. I-r-w-i-n, yes. Mr. HUBERT. And that person lived in Irving, Tex.? Mr. SENATOR. Irving, yes; he lived in Irving. Now I used to run across him once in a while. He used to come up you know for the weekend. Mr. HUBERT. Did he know Ruby? Mr. SENATOR. Yes, he knew him casually. Mr. HUBERT. What about these others, Frank Irwin and James Young? Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know if they knew Ruby. Mr. HUBERT. Did Stanley Corbat know him? Mr. SENATOR. Casually, because Stanley and I lived next door to him. But, of course, Stan never went to his club unless I took him there. Mr. HUBERT. Stan got married, of course, and that is why he moved out of the apartment? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Where is he living now, in Dallas? Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know the number, but I think he is living on Munger Street. Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen him since Oswald was shot? Mr. SENATOR. Oh, sure. Mr. HUBERT. How did you come in contact with him, socially? Mr. SENATOR. I just happened to run across him one day. I ran across him once in a delicatessen. Mr. HUBERT. Just once? Mr. SENATOR. In the delicatessen. I ran across him once in a delicatessen. Then I ran across him another time. As a matter of fact, I ran across him I think it was twice since the happenings. Mr. HUBERT. What does he do? Mr. SENATOR. He is a buyer for a department store. He buys women’s budget dresses. Mr. GRIFFIN. Which department store? Mr. SENATOR. Titche. Mr. GRIFFIN. That is in Dallas? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where is that located? Mr. SENATOR. That is I think on Main Street. I think it is on Main Street. Mr. HUBERT. Let me ask you a few other questions about yourself. Have you ever been in any difficulties with the law, that is to say, by way of charges? Mr. SENATOR. No; the only incident I ever had with the law, and I have been asked many times before on this already, that one night—this goes back maybe 3 or 4 years ago—there was another chap and I, we went to a cocktail lounge and we both had two scotches and water. We crossed the street and I think we crossed the street against the light because in Dallas they are very meticulous of crossing against the lights, and we went into the coffee shop to get something to eat. We no sooner got in the coffee shop than two cops nabbed me, us rather. They said we were drunk. Now I wasn’t any more drunk than he was. Mr. HUBERT. Did they charge you? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; they took us down to jail, 4 hours to sober up, but I had nothing to sober up with. Mr. HUBERT. Did they follow up with any charges? Mr. SENATOR. No; we were fined $15. Mr. HUBERT. You were fined? Mr. SENATOR. I believe it was $15.