Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you familiar with the other nightclubs in town when Mr. Ruby had the Sovereign Club? Mr. SENATOR. Oh, I knew some of them; yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you visit any of those? Mr. SENATOR. On rare occasions; yes. I couldn’t afford them, number one. I was never a member because I couldn’t afford membership. I wasn’t making that kind of money. But I’d either go up with a friend who was a member or something of that nature. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there something about the Sovereign Club that was more attractive to you than some of the other clubs? Mr. SENATOR. No; not particularly; no. It is just that I knew Jack and Jack said like he said a thousand times to many people. First of all the Carousel of course is a $2 admission. But many people would say “Come on up, be my guest,” free admission. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know any other nightclub operators in town at the time Jack was running the Sovereign Club and letting you in? Mr. SENATOR. Well, normally on getting into clubs I would probably go in with a friend who was a member. You probably know the Kings Club and the Adolphus don’t you or you heard of it? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; for example did you know the manager of the Theatre Lounge? Mr. SENATOR. As of recent? Mr. GRIFFIN. Back there when you were going to the Sovereign Club and Jack would let you in. Mr. SENATOR. No; I knew who the owner was but I didn’t know the manager, who the manager was at that time. Mr. GRIFFIN. You know Abe Weinstein? Mr. SENATOR. Oh, yes; I don’t know him that well. I know who he is, I know him casually. Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you visited his clubs? Mr. SENATOR. On very rare occasions. Abe’s place I have probably been up maybe as long as I have been in Dallas, if I have been up there four times I have been up there a lot, if I have been up there that many times. Mr. HUBERT. All right; now we had progressed to the point where your casual relationship with Jack Ruby had developed into a little more than that commencing roughly about 2½ years ago when you began to go to the Sovereign Club. I think you went there about four or five times before it changed to the Carousel. But you have previously mentioned that about 2 years ago something happened that changed this improving relationship let’s say in the sense that you got to know each other better, so that you could be called friends then. Something happened you said about 2 years ago, and that is what I want you to take it from there. Mr. SENATOR. When I got through with Volume Sales I was unemployed again. In other words, I was down again. So Jack Ruby is of a nature, he will help somebody. Rather he has to feed them or give them a place to sleep or something of this nature, this is when he took me in when he knew I was broke. He said “George you can stay with me.” Mr. HUBERT. Did you tell him you were broke or did he find out from another source? Mr. SENATOR. No; I told him I was down. Mr. HUBERT. Did you ask to go in with him?