Mr. SENATOR. Andrew was there; Andrew would come there somewhere around 1 o’clock in the afternoon. See Andrew lived there for a short while too after we had left. He was staying there. And then I think he got married or something like that. But Andrew was with him about 2 years I guess, maybe a little longer. Mr. HUBERT. I think you have already covered the next stage, and that was when you got a job and also you were disgusted with the conditions and so you moved in with Corbat? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Now during the period that you lived with Corbat, which would have been, as I remember it, from August of 1962 until August of 1963—is that right? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. What was your relationship with Jack then? Mr. SENATOR. August of 1962. Mr. HUBERT. That is when you moved out of Jack’s apartment and took up with Corbat. Mr. SENATOR. I always went to see him. I always used to come up there. At rare times I would help him at the door. Mr. HUBERT. But you had a job then? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. But I would go up there and I would help him at the door, things of that kind. Mr. HUBERT. As a matter of fact, he for a good part of that period he actually lived in the South Ewing Apartments where you lived with Corbat, is that right? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. We moved there practically the same time; yes. Mr. HUBERT. So that in spite of the fact that you broke up the domestic establishment that you had, there was no ill feeling between you. Mr. SENATOR. Never, no, no. We have never had any ill feeling. We got along excepting when he hollered at me. Mr. HUBERT. Well we will get to that. In this new job which you had when you were living with Corbat did you have to use an automobile? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; a wagon. Mr. HUBERT. A station wagon? Mr. SENATOR. Volkswagen, one of those box things, what do you call them? Mr. GRIFFIN. One of those Volkswagen microbuses? Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know. Mr. GRIFFIN. Is it a passenger car? Mr. SENATOR. No; it is one of these solid enclosures. It looks like a box, you know. I don’t know what you call them. Mr. HUBERT. Was it to hold goods you were displaying? Mr. SENATOR. That is right; but there was no windows to it except in the back, the back part. Mr. HUBERT. Was it your car or did it belong to the company? Mr. SENATOR. It was the company. Mr. HUBERT. And you say you continued to go to the Carousel from time to time. How often about, just roughly? Mr. SENATOR. Two or three times a week. It all depends. Mr. HUBERT. And you would help there? Mr. SENATOR. Not always. Sometimes I would, sometimes I wouldn’t. Mr. HUBERT. If you helped did he pay you? Mr. SENATOR. No; I did it because I still remember what he has done for me when I was down and out, and it wasn’t that many hours or it wasn’t difficult labor or anything of that nature. But I still remembered the things he did for me, when I was down and out.