Mr. SENATOR. He had enough of them. Mr. HUBERT. I gather from that you mean he had plenty of them? Mr. SENATOR. He had a few dogs. Mr. HUBERT. All the time that you have known him was that so or when did that begin? Mr. SENATOR. Well, I don’t know when it began because he had dogs the first time that I got close to him or acquainted with him. Mr. HUBERT. That is about 2½ years ago? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. But you don’t know anything about the dogs? Mr. SENATOR. Previous to that I didn’t know anything about dogs before. Mr. HUBERT. I guess the number of dogs varied, didn’t it? Mr. SENATOR. It happened to be why he had so many dogs, his dog Sheba, who was attacked by one of Sheba’s sons at a later date, gave birth to six at one time. What are you going to do? He had dogs. Mr. HUBERT. So he kept them. Mr. SENATOR. Yes. He didn’t want to give them away. Mr. HUBERT. Where did he keep them? Mr. SENATOR. They were born in the apartment. He had them in the kitchen until they were old enough, you know, whatever age that they might be, a month or two, and then he brought them down to the club and he puts them way in the back room of the club. He used to bring everybody in “See my dogs.” Of course, his pet was Sheba, which everybody in this country knows. Mr. HUBERT. She was the mother? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; that was the mother of the whole crew. So he wound up with—— Mr. HUBERT. Did Sheba stay at the club or at his house? Mr. SENATOR. Both. Jack goes to the club, Sheba goes with him. Mr. HUBERT. Sheba was always with him? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; this was the only one. I would say on rare occasions he would probably bring the other dog home or two, just overnight. Mr. HUBERT. He gave some of the dogs away didn’t he? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; Jack had close to 10 dogs. He had about 9 or 10 dogs. Don’t forget Sheba had six at one clip. Mr. HUBERT. What was his attitude towards these animals? Was it a normal attitude that people have to dogs? Mr. SENATOR. I know people have mentioned it to me before in the past and the quotations that I have heard though I have never heard them from him though I have heard them otherwise like “My family” or “My wife.” I have read these. I am certain everybody else has too or heard it. But he liked dogs. To me this has no meaning. To me it has no meaning when he says this. Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear these comments made by other people concerning Ruby and his dogs prior to the shooting or afterwards? Mr. SENATOR. What? Mr. HUBERT. Prior to the shooting or afterwards? Mr. SENATOR. Prior I don’t recollect. I don’t say—it had to be prior to. No; it had to be prior. Mr. HUBERT. You have read perhaps a lot about the dogs—— Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Since the shooting?