Mr. CRAFARD. No; I watched television the day of the assassination and saw him on the morning after. Mr. HUBERT. On Monday? Mr. CRAFARD. No; the morning after the assassination, Saturday. Mr. HUBERT. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. On Saturday between the time that you talked with Ruby, when you called him at his home—— Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. And the time that you left Dallas, did you see anybody other than the man at the garage with whom you left the key? Mr. CRAFARD. Not to talk to anybody; no. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you rode out of Dallas with that man whom you had met at the State Fair, did you talk with him about the assassination? Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe we discussed it very much. He was telling me about his place out on the lake more than anything else, so far as I recall. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he know you had worked for Jack Ruby? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe there was something said about the fact that I worked for Ruby. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did this man know Jack Ruby? Mr. CRAFARD. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Is it possible that he would have mentioned having seen Oswald at the Carousel? Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t believe so. Mr. GRIFFIN. Had he ever been in the Carousel? Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge, no. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, on Saturday—or on Friday, rather, the day of the assassination, did you and Andy and Jack Ruby watch television at the Carousel? Mr. CRAFARD. Some, yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember seeing Oswald’s picture on television on Friday? Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember it, no. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember watching television or listening to the radio when it was announced that Oswald had been apprehended and was the suspect? Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see. I believe we heard that over the television. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any recollection of who was present when you heard that? Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure. Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, do you have a recollection on Friday of your activities from the time Andy woke you up until Jack left to go to Eva Grant’s house? Can you reconstruct for us your activities in some detail? Mr. CRAFARD. Just a vague outline is all I can do. Mr. GRIFFIN. Try to reconstruct this as best you can, what you did first, how long you watched television, and so forth. Mr. CRAFARD. I had the television on the rest of the day up until about—it must have been about 7 or 7:30 when I turned the television off. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was the television set located? Mr. CRAFARD. In Jack’s office. Mr. GRIFFIN. How big an office did he have? Mr. CRAFARD. Oh, about 10 by 10 or 10 by 12. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have chairs in there? Mr. CRAFARD. He had a couch, a desk, and a chair in front of his desk. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you spend a good bit of the day in that office watching television? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. After you got up, when did you first go into that office and start to watch television? Mr. CRAFARD. Almost immediately. Mr. GRIFFIN. And how long did you stay in there?