Mr. CRAFARD. We turned the television on and there was nothing on the television just right at that time, on the channel we had it on. We switched channels, while the set was warming up we went out front and listened to Andy’s radio until the television warmed up, and then we watched television. Mr. GRIFFIN. Jack Ruby wasn’t there at that time? Mr. CRAFARD. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. You say you stood in front of the television? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, we stood and watched the television. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was it possible to sit in Jack’s office and watch television? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you stand there? Mr. CRAFARD. Just a couple of minutes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you sit, and where was the television set? Mr. CRAFARD. We sat on the couch and the set was in the corner behind the door. There was a filing cabinet between it and the wall. Mr. GRIFFIN. And sitting on the couch you could watch the television set? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have to close the door in order to watch the television set? Mr. CRAFARD. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there a telephone in that office? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. How far away, how many extensions were there to the telephone? Mr. CRAFARD. There was three of them altogether. Mr. GRIFFIN. There were three extensions or was there a telephone—— Mr. CRAFARD. The telephone and two extensions. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Where were the two extensions in relation to the telephone in Jack’s office? Mr. CRAFARD. There was one by the bar and one by the door. Mr. GRIFFIN. How far away would that be from Jack’s office, each of those? Mr. CRAFARD. The first one, the one by the door would probably be 20, maybe 20, 25 feet from the office. The other one would be maybe about 10 feet further, between 30 and 35 feet, I would say. Mr. GRIFFIN. You and Andy placed yourselves in front of that television set? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. What do you recall happening, what was the first thing, do you have any recollection of what you saw on television, how things transpired on television? Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t. I believe they were at the hospital. Mr. GRIFFIN. Pardon? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe they were at the hospital when we turned the television on. Mr. GRIFFIN. You recall seeing some scenes at Parkland Hospital? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I can recall seeing some scenes but I am not sure whether it was as soon as we turned the television on or afterwards during that day. Mr. GRIFFIN. What do you recall seeing on television before Jack Ruby came into the club? Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t really recall what we saw on television. Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were, between the time you turned that television set on and sat down and watched it and Jack came in, did you leave the office, did you do other duties in the club, or just watch TV? Mr. CRAFARD. We just watched television. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. When Jack came in, were you people seated in his office? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes.