Mr. GRIFFIN. You told me, I believe, in the automobile that you had not been aware until I mentioned it to you in the car that Bill DeMar had made the statement that he saw Oswald in the club. Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you think, if someone had told you, one of your relatives or somebody like that had told you, one of Ruby’s performers or somebody who worked for Ruby had said that he saw Oswald there, do you think you would have remembered that kind of information being conveyed to you? Mr. CRAFARD. I might have remembered something about the fact that one of them had said, that one of his employees had said, that Oswald had been there; but I wouldn’t necessarily remember who it was who had said it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, if somebody said to you one of Ruby’s entertainers claims he saw Oswald in the club, what would your reaction have been? Mr. CRAFARD. It would have been that—— Mr. GRIFFIN. You didn’t know which entertainer it was or employee who said that? Mr. CRAFARD. I wouldn’t really know whether it was true or not. I probably would state the fact that I had never saw him there personally that I knew of. Mr. HUBERT. Let me get through with this and see if this won’t help you out. If you had heard this statement that Oswald had been in the Carousel, before you knew that Ruby had shot him, that would have had one reaction on you? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, that the man happened to be in the club. Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. If you had heard it after you knew Ruby had shot Oswald, I suggest to you that that would have been an entirely different reaction, because then it ties in Ruby and the club. Now doesn’t that assist you by determining what your reaction was when you heard it, whether it was the first type of reaction or the second type of reaction, or do you agree with me that your reaction would have been different depending upon when you heard it? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it would have been; yes. Mr. HUBERT. Do you accept my version that there would be two different types along the lines I have said? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I believe there would have been. Mr. HUBERT. What was your reaction, the first or the second? Mr. CRAFARD. I can’t really remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. Larry, when you talked with the FBI on Thanksgiving Day—— Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe the FBI asked you did you know any connection between Ruby and Oswald. Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. And I believe your answer at that time was that you did not. Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. When you talked with the FBI were you being as frank and straight-forward with them as you are with us right now? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; as much as I—to the best of my knowledge I told them nothing but the truth the same as I am doing with you gentlemen. Mr. HUBERT. Did you mention to them that you then knew that someone had told you that Oswald had been in the club?