Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of papers did he keep up there? Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly old bills and stuff like that that he just stuck up on kind of a wire peg that he put them on. Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me show you what I have marked as Washington, D.C., C. L. Crafard, April 9, 1964, Exhibit 5208, and I have signed it. Was that photograph taken at the Carousel Club? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Do you want me to describe it? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; would you? Mr. CRAFARD. It shows Jack Ruby standing on the stage holding the mike talking to the audience, and they are clapping him; applauding him, I should say. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember when that photograph was taken? Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember the date, but this photograph would have been taken at the same time we had a photographer from a magazine taking pictures. It would have been taken by him. Mr. GRIFFIN. How often did Jack M.C.; appear on stage? Mr. CRAFARD. One or two nights. I believe one evening, one or two evenings we was without an M.C. and Jack done the M.C.-ing. It was a couple of evenings. Mr. GRIFFIN. When there was ordinarily an M.C. there, do you ever recall Jack going up on stage? Mr. CRAFARD. No. It wasn’t his custom. Mr. GRIFFIN. Looking at that picture, do you recognize anybody else in the photograph? Mr. CRAFARD. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you want to look at what I have marked in the same fashion Exhibit 5209, and tell me if you recognize anybody in there? First of all, let me rephrase the question. Do you recognize where that was taken? Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t. It wasn’t taken in the Carousel Club. Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you recognize anybody in the picture? Mr. CRAFARD. No. I would say this picture was taken in a place where the theme was more or less western theme than anything else. I remember I commented to the other gentleman when he showed me a picture, we were looking at the costume she had on, wasn’t anything I remembered. Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to hand you what I have marked in the same fashion Exhibit 5210. Do you recognize where that photograph was taken? Mr. CRAFARD. This photograph was taken in the Carousel Club. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recognize who any people in those photographs are? Mr. CRAFARD. A stripper. I don’t remember her name right now. Mr. GRIFFIN. On the left-hand side, is that the same girl? Mr. CRAFARD. The same girl in another one of the photographs. It looks like Tammi True. Mr. GRIFFIN. There are dogs in that—dachshund dogs in that photograph? Mr. CRAFARD. These dogs belong to Jack Ruby. We placed them on the stage as more or less the photographer was here, as more or less a photography stunt more than anything. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were they regularly used in acts? Mr. CRAFARD. No; only on this one occasion they were used more or less like, say, for a photographic stunt. Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you ever been up on the stage while the lights were on, while an act was in progress?