Mr. KANTOR. I spoke to Henry Gonzalez, who was holding a brown paper bag in his hand. He told me that it was the effects of Governor Connally. Mr. Gonzalez was still badly shaken. And I talked to Senator Yarborough again. And he said that the group was going to the airport immediately. And I knew then that the pool was formed to go out to the airport. However, I still didn’t want to leave the hospital, because I know that my office was concerned with what was going to happen to Mr. Johnson. At the same time, I saw Mr. and Mrs. Johnson closely guarded coming out of the hospital, completely surrounded by men, and put into a car, and they sped away. I spoke to the mayor of Dallas, Earl Cabell. He was unable to furnish me with any information as to what was going to happen. I turned then and went back up to the second floor. Now, as I had told the FBI, it was either at this point or it was at a point originally when I went up behind Malcolm Kilduff that I spoke with Jack Ruby. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, let me ask you to place on the map approximately where you were the first time that you think you might have seen Jack Ruby--if you would place a No. “3” on the map where you were the first time when you think you might have seen Ruby. Mr. KANTOR. All right. It was inside the building, but just barely inside. It was just immediately inside the doorway. I am not sure, as I said, whether there was a small door next to the main entrance itself, or whether this occurred just inside the main entrance. But it seems to me it was---- Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me suggest that maybe what you could do is use two numbers, a 3-A and 3-B, to indicate the two places the first time you think you might have seen Ruby. Mr. KANTOR. Well, so far as I remember, it would--I mean I am talking about the same place in both instances. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Let me---- Mr. KANTOR. I am just not sure in my memory of the physical makeup of this entranceway. Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me get this straight, then. The first time you saw Ruby, before you went up to Mr. Kilduff’s press conference---- Mr. KANTOR. No, sir; what I am saying is I only saw him once and talked to him that time. Mr. GRIFFIN. I understand. You are not sure whether you saw him before or after the press conference? Mr. KANTOR. That is right. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, if you saw him the first time, are you uncertain as to whether--as to which door it was that you saw him by? Mr. KANTOR. Yes; I am uncertain as to which door I went in. And as I went in the door, that is where he was. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what I am asking you to do, then, is indicate by the Nos. 3-A and 3-B where these two doors might have been that you are uncertain about, having reference to the time you went into the building just before the press conference. Mr. KANTOR. Well, it was the same door both times. It is just that I am unsure where that door is. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Mr. KANTOR. But it is in this main entrance area.