Mr. KANTOR. Zoppi came out with a pool report on Jack Ruby’s sister, which a number of reporters listened to and took notes on. Mr. GRIFFIN. So you were actually interviewing Zoppi at that point? Mr. KANTOR. That is strictly what it amounted to. I spoke to Captain Will Fritz. I spoke to Captain Glen King. But I might add that from the moment that Oswald was shot, we were really cut off. We were getting no more news--whereas we had gotten from our standpoint marvelous cooperation before--we were finding out nothing all of a sudden. Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you hear Senator say in the few minutes that you did listen to him? Mr. KANTOR. I heard George Senator say that Jack Ruby had been upset, very much upset, and had gotten up, I believe, rather late Sunday morning and said that he was going to take one of his dogs down to the club. And I heard him say that he had--that Jack Ruby had placed a call to a brother in Detroit. And I remember Senator stressing quite heavily that Ruby had spent the weekend in an upset condition, had cried, had wept quite a bit. I did ask Senator, only because I think I missed the opening parts of the mass interview going on out there in the hall--I asked him how long he had roomed with Ruby, a couple of particulars like that, I think--just basic stuff. What he did for a living. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now---- Mr. KANTOR. I had never heard of him before. Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to go back a bit. About what time did you arrive in the jail basement on Sunday, the 24th? Mr. KANTOR. The transferral, as we understood it, was supposed to be made at 10 o’clock. And I got up leisurely and was staying at the White Plaza Hotel across the street, and made no effort to be there promptly at 10 o’clock. The reason I did that is because Scripps-Howard wire to its newspaper operates at night, and a morning event in itself is not too awfully important. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long were you there before the shooting took place? Mr. KANTOR. I got there about approximately a quarter to 11. I was checked three times for identification upon getting down to the basement. Mr. GRIFFIN. When you went down to the basement, did you remain the entire time in that position “K” that you have marked there? Mr. KANTOR. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you when you first went into the basement? Mr. KANTOR. The regular bank of elevators, that is those going upstairs---- Mr. GRIFFIN. On the Harwood side? Mr. KANTOR. Yes; are about here, are they not? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; the reporter, of course, can’t tell, but just let’s refer to them as the Harwood elevators. Mr. KANTOR. Well, I walked into the building and went up to the third floor first, and then rode the elevator down to the basement--that is the regular elevator. When I stepped out of the elevator, I was stopped almost immediately by an officer, and he would not accept my credentials at all, even though I had a White House card and my old Dallas police card, Texas State Police card.